For all you rabid environmentalists

[john9001]

world trade is bad, it will kill us all by making the seas full of carbonic acid, that's acid folks ....A C I D,
 we need to shut down all factories NOW to save the earth. Buy a horse and a plow, grow your own food, turn your car into a greenhouse and grow veggies in it.

[Angus]

Sad Moray, but you're right.
As for the horse and plough, say alone a pair of oxes with a bigger plow, a tractor running on home-grown bio-fuel will put the carbon balance better.
A normal farm in a temperate atmosphere would need some -10% of the production area to sustain all it's energy needs. That means that that particular agriculture would be on zero regarding carbon emission, since it's running on carbon it tied up from photosyntetis in the first place.
We do still have a lot of folks on this board that do not know what that is about, - hence this thread will get much longer.

[AKH]

Originally posted by Toad
^

That can certainly cut both ways you know; there's a real inconvenient truth for you.

"A leading US climate scientist is considering legal action after he says he was duped into appearing in a Channel 4 documentary that claimed man-made global warming is a myth. Carl Wunsch, professor of physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said the film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, was 'grossly distorted' and 'as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two'.

He says his comments in the film were taken out of context and that he would not have agreed to take part if he had known it would argue that man-made global warming was not a serious threat. 'I thought they were trying to educate the public about the complexities of climate change,' he said. 'This seems like a deliberate attempt to exploit someone who is on the other side of the issue.' He is considering a complaint to Ofcom, the broadcast regulator."

link

One of the "skeptic" favourites, isn't it?

[Sabre]

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4

Sorry if this article has been linked already, but this is a pretty good article.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by soda72
They still blame the US,  only now it's the United States fault for not setting an example for China....

Yep.....and when the cooling period starts we will be blamed for all of the scientists being wrong. Of course a lot of them are bailing now.

[Angus]

IF the cooling period starts, you'll be begging for it, unless you moved northwards.

(Know of land for sale just in case )

[MORAY37]

See Rule #4

[john9001]

Originally posted by MORAY37


"These results show the importance of world trade in accounting for the emissions that drive climate change," says Shui Bin, an environmental policy analyst who authored the Energy Policy paper with geochemist Robert Harriss. Their research was supported by the National Science Foundation, NCAR’s primary sponsor.
 

"world trade in accounting for the emissions that drive climate change,"

your post, not my "mindless drivel".

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by john9001
"world trade in accounting for the emissions that drive climate change,"

your post, not my "mindless drivel".

John, do you follow anything that's been said?

Yes, it was my quote. It supported my point. (the US is responsible for most of the heavy gas emissions, directly and indirectly)

Second, you posted an idiotic solution to my quote, "turn all your cars into flower pots"  and such.  I never said such a thing.  You must suffer from some sort of mongoloidy.  I did not say we need to "turn off all the factories".  I stated that, in response to the news that China has overtaken the US in total emissions, that a little intellect was required to figure out WHY that was.  In that report, it can be stated that, on the basis of our overwhelming trade imbalance with china (they make it with low wage help and ship it here because WE WANT IT...) that we, the United States,  are directly and INDIRECTLY responsible for the overwhelming majority of emissions.
Without our trade, China's emissions would be up to 14% lower and ours 6% higher...Can i digest it anymore for you?

Please take a minute to think.  Use your cerebrum.  Don't just spout off at the mouth.  You will lose any logical discuaaion that way.  Take your emotions out of the equations and digest the information at hand.

Your problem is that you already have decided on the issue.  Therefore you will use any means necessary to defend that stance.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by bustr
You forget, all scientists with ties to it either way now have become suspect when global warming became a world wide political ideology. When that line was passed scientists stopped being "innocent titans of virtue".

All of us unenlightened monkeys should be running a borascope up any scientists kester now who presents anything one way or another over global warming to make sure the world isnt about to get cosmicly boned by the unintened consiqunces of a theory.  

Scientists have the unintended consiquence of enabling mass manipulations of cultural and societal direction with only theories. They have the unintended consiquence of enabling governments to pass agenda based laws whos only benifits are to the government by growing its personel numbers, increaseing taxes and granting itself more control over the unwashed masses lives based on the "theory" so as to protect the masses from some nebulous doom that might happen based on a "theory".

I'm not on a high enough horse. People in general allow themselves to be cowed by persons with titles, degrees, positions of authority and well articulated communication skills. Con Men know this aspect of the human mind and cow the unwashed unintelligent masses out of their hard earned money.

Don't sell me scientists as a protected class of humanity because they toil for the higher good. Scientists are trying to sell this planet on a world class theory that can have unforseen consiquences to human rights and personal freedom in the name of saving the world from us the unwashed masses who scientists have once again determined we have screwed the planet. I love how scientists are blaming us. Man Made Global Warming. It grants them such elevated unchallanged legitamicy over the masses. Funny exactly how the legitimacy of any ideologies priesthood is established and maintained.

So your argument is that scientists are out for power... I will post a list of all 43 United States presidents... how many are scientists again>?

1 George Washington Surveyor, Farmer/plantation owner, Soldier (General of United Army of the Colonies)
2 John Adams Lawyer
3 Thomas Jefferson Writer, Inventor, Lawyer, Architect, Farmer/Plantation owner
4 James Madison Lawyer
5 James Monroe Lawyer
6 John Quincy Adams Lawyer
7 Andrew Jackson Soldier, Lawyer
8 Martin Van Buren Lawyer
9 William Harrison Soldier
10 John Tyler Lawyer
11 James Polk Lawyer, Plantation owner
12 Zachary Taylor Soldier
13 Millard Fillmore Lawyer
14 Franklin Pierce Lawyer
15 James Buchanan Lawyer, Prizefighter, Diplomat
16 Abraham Lincoln Lawyer, Saloon owner, Seamboat pilot
17 Andrew Johnson Tailor
18 Ulysses Grant Soldier, General of the Army, Tanner
19 Rutherford Hayes Lawyer
20 James Garfield School teacher, minister
21 Chester Arthur School teacher, lawyer, collector of tariffs
22,24 Grover Cleveland Sheriff, lawyer, assistant teacher
23 Benjamin Harrison Lawyer, journalist
25 William McKinley Lawyer
26 Theodore Roosevelt Public Official, Rancher
27 William Taft Lawyer, judge, law reporter, dean of law school at the University of Cincinnati
28 Woodrow Wilson Lawyer, professor, president of Princeton University
29 Warren Harding Newspaper publisher/editor
30 Calvin Coolidge Lawyer, Vice President of Northampton Savings Bank
31 Herbert Hoover Engineer, Investor
32 Franklin Roosevelt Lawyer
33 Harry Truman Farmer, Men's clothing retailer
34 Dwight Eisenhower Soldier (Supreme Allied Commander, Army Chief of Staff), President of Columbia University, Ice lifter
35 John F. Kennedy Writer
36 Lyndon Johnson Teacher, Public Official
37 Richard Nixon Lawyer
38 Gerald Ford Lawyer
39 Jimmy Carter Peanut farmer, writer
40 Ronald Reagan Actor & broadcaster, President of the Screen Actors Guild
41 George H. W. Bush Businessman (Oil)
42 Bill Clinton Lawyer, Law lecturer
43 George W. Bush Businessman (Oil, baseball)

It sure seems like they are grabbing for power, huh.  I see a slew of biologists and chemists on that list.



And those theories you speak of.... GRAVITY is one of em.  It's still just a little old theory.  Seems that one works out ok... I mean, good enought to send a little spacecraft to Neptune.

[john9001]

MORAY37
stop calling me stupid, it's your post that said climate change is caused by world trade, or more exactly USA trade with china. What is your solution, shut down world trade?

why don't you give us some more pseudo science about the worlds oceans turning into carbonic acid.

[MORAY37]

See Rules #4, #5

[moot]

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[Curval]

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[croduh]

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