Author Topic: For all you rabid environmentalists (Read 4579 times)

Angus · « **Reply #45 on:** June 06, 2007, 07:18:52 PM »

When I was in college some 25 years ago, our scientists predicted global warming. They said it would start being noticable in some 20 years, and a good tell-tale would be massive ice melting.
Funny, isn't it...

And FYI, I do look at the weather forecast, - it is often wrong, but since it doesn't go into small detail, I can usually adapt it to my own theories about the area I know so well, and the result is reasonably reliable. For much more than 3 days even.

lazs2 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 07, 2007, 08:07:02 AM »

angus... if your scientists of the 80's were predicting global warming then they had made a huge flip flop from the scientist body as a whole who in the 70's predicted global cooling on a massive scale.

And what are these scales? 1 degree in a hundred years if that?

A couple of my old broken bones predict the weather better than most scientists on a day to day basis. They have gotten better at watching hurricanes and tornados form tho.

I think what it boils down to is that you live in a place where it is best for it to stay cold... the "scientists" always try to scare you with heat... In Amercia of the 70's we lived and live, in a place where it was warm so they tried to scare us with ice.

From day to night it gets hotter and colder... in 30 or 40 year cycles it gets hotter and colder and it's all because.....

ITS THE SUN STUPID.

and there aint a damn thing we can do about it... all your "scientists" are powerless against the sun.

lazs

Jackal1 · « **Reply #47 on:** June 07, 2007, 08:16:58 AM »

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A couple of my old broken bones predict the weather better than most scientists on a day to day basis.

Hehe. Last week we had rain predicited, then they took the rain out of the forecast for our area that day. I said "BS". Left knee was killing me. I told the wife and neighbor we would have heavy rain within 2 hours. We got 5 inches in less than 1 1/2 hours.

Granny Clampett and her beetle in a match box can do better than the morons that call themselves scientists.

lazs2 · « **Reply #48 on:** June 07, 2007, 08:25:17 AM »

well... to be fair... most of the thousands of new "climate scientists" are no such thing.. they were anything but till they seen the money and jumped on the bandwagon...

Most of the real scientists in the field that have been in it for decades are a lot more cautious with their warnings.. the person who did the original ice core sampling and testing for instance does not believe that co2 is causing global warming at all.

"the man made global warming hoax" is an excellent documentary and counterpoint to the algore soap opera one... unlike algores attempt.. it has real science and real scientists tho. It is done in an entertaining way none the less.

You can still watch it on youtube I believe.

lazs

Jackal1 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 07, 2007, 08:32:02 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
well... to be fair... most of the thousands of new "climate scientists" are no such thing.. they were anything but till they seen the money and jumped on the bandwagon...

Exactly. When this turns around and bites them in the rear, they will be looking for the next ship to jump on that produces cash.
If it became a popular fable that lady bugs are going to destroy the earth, the very same ones would become Insta Demonbugologists.
It`s all about the money.

Angus · « **Reply #50 on:** June 08, 2007, 03:57:02 AM »

Cough, and I guess there is no money in the oil industry?
Here is a link to what is happening and a careful prediction for the next 100 years or so. The interview is in Icelandic, but the graphics and pictures tell their story.
Most of our glaciers will be gone in my daughters lifespan, and only the highest one might survive 200 years. That is, if it stops warming now and keeps as it is, - which is a careful prediction.
And Lazs, I repeat that I completely missed those Iceage predictions in the 70's (however I got those linking a Nuclear holocaust with a Nuclear winter to follow). Now, our weather guys live in a rather unique environment (N-Atlantic gulfsream climate), and our weathers are delicately unstable. Ways to measure are all before our eyes, such as Ocean temps (be it Arctic or Gulfstream), air temp, rain, snow and Glaciers, as well as the effect of regular Volcanic eruptions. All around us (Out the kitchen window, I have one Volcane, One hiding one, and 2 Glaciers, out the living room I see Fata Morgana from the Black beaches.)
So, very much worldwide hype can easily be discarded when you have the things right before your eyes, - maybe that's why....
(Us farmers noticed the warming quite fast too, and quickly took advantage off it

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Angus · « **Reply #51 on:** June 08, 2007, 04:36:09 AM »

The link:
http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/frett.html?nid=1273517

-tronski- · « **Reply #52 on:** June 08, 2007, 05:02:13 AM »

I hate seeing all those bandwagoning scientists with all their global warming cash on MTV cribs, wearing all that bling in their Escalades or SLK 500's, buying English premier league teams, and Laker floor season tickets...

...bastards....

Tronsky

Jackal1 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 08, 2007, 05:29:18 AM »

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Cough, and I guess there is no money in the oil industry?

What part of "all" don`t you understand?

If it doesn`t pertain to big money, your unlikely or rarely hear about it in the media...........unless it`s pure sensationalism.

Watched a little ditty on the high increases in box cereal prices. Why? Ethanol production.

It`s all about the money.

Angus · « **Reply #54 on:** June 08, 2007, 06:02:12 AM »

FYI, Coffee is actually one of the biggest businesses in the world.
Superceeded only by Oil as a whole merchant product, both have a very big environmental impact, and make things like midgety subventions for scientific research look rather....small.
Why bother drilling into glaciers anyway..silly avacados

Charge · « **Reply #55 on:** June 08, 2007, 07:58:18 AM »

I hate everything and call BS on anything that says I cannot live like I always have and always wanted to live.

-C+

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** June 08, 2007, 09:26:01 AM »

Oh.. I get it.. we are supposed to believe that we are doomed and that the sun has nothing to do with global warming or that... wait for it... the tiny amount (relatively) of co2 that man puts into the atmosphere is a "tipping point" the straw that broke the camels back so to speak? even tho co2 itself is only a small portion of greenhouse gases..

and.. even tho models the "scientists" use are admitedly flawed we need to "do something" (something meaning make the other guy suffer)? If it is only a straw that we are creating... what happens when the real influence.. the sun... goes into another normal and cyclical cooling cycle? like it does every 30-40 years?

Our little contribution will be nothing.. If what they say is true then the planet should be warming at a predictable rate based on co2 rise. Yet... the planet has cooled 4 out of the five last years.. the total ice pack on the planet is the same or larger than it was. The planet is not any warmer now than it has been in the past with lower levels of co2. It doesn't add up.

The sun is the biggest contributor. sorry some of your little lands are getting warmer.. sorry some places are getting colder... sorry it is warmer in the day than at night... what can I say? I am not going to run my life based on co2 theory tho.

ITS THE SUN STUPID

lazs

Shuckins · « **Reply #57 on:** June 08, 2007, 02:20:01 PM »

Ferndale, current projections are that the world's oceans will rise by 20 inches over the next century, given the current rate of glacial melting....not the 20 feet trumpeted by Al Gore in "An Inconvenient Truth."

That will not produce the mass-flooding that he and some of the other "experts" have predicted. In addition, the rate of that rise will be so slow as to be almost imperceptible, giving plenty of time for coastal cities to make adjustments.

However, the climate pattern alterations brought on by changing global wind patterns and rainfall are where the real danger of global warming will come in, if all the Chicken-Little predictions come true.

It isn't going to be easy to reverse the current warming trend. Indeed, it may be impossible. Personally, I think some of the hot air produced by supporters of the Kyoto Accords may be contributing to global warming. Despite all the rhetoric and holier-than-thou breast beating by the nations who signed it, it now appears that none of the signatory nations will be able to reach their target goals for reduction in their production of greenhouse gases by 2012. In fact, they're not even coming close.

If the World Meteorological Organization figures which I cited earlier are correct, the Earth has seen a slight cooling trend since the year 2000.

Look at this graph closely. Note that the termination of the last ice age took place about 12,000 years ago, followed by a rapid rise in global temperatures to the Holocene period. The warm temperature cycle the world has been in for the last 12 millenia is uncharacteristically long for an inter-glacial cycle. Study of other Vostok graphs reveals that the peak of temperature after the end of an ice age is relatively short, followed by a steady downward trend to another ice age.

There has been relatively little fluctuation in global temperatures during that age, save for the little ice age of the medieval period. This suggests that something else may be at work causing global temperatures to remain at their currently uncharacteristically high levels, for this trend began 12 thousand years before the invention of the internal combustion engine, and 5,000 years before the rise of human civilization.

The rise of global temperatures by one degree Fahrenhype over the last century is a mere blip by comparison.

Should we control the production of greenhouse gasses? Certainly. Our negative impact on the environment should concern all of us. Should we take the stance that man-made pollutants are the only cause of global warming?

Certainly not.

Regards, Shuckins

john9001 · « **Reply #58 on:** June 08, 2007, 03:24:38 PM »

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There has been relatively little fluctuation in global temperatures during that age, save for the little ice age of the medieval period. This suggests that something else may be at work causing global temperatures to remain at their currently uncharacteristically high levels, for this trend began 12 thousand years before the invention of the internal combustion engine, and 5,000 years before the rise of human civilization.

"this trend began 12 thousand years before the invention of the internal combustion engine, and 5,000 years before the rise of human civilization."

say, isn't that when cavemen discovered fire?

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #59 on:** June 08, 2007, 04:11:15 PM »

*ehem*

Most port reactors and land development "food farm land .ect"
Would only need to be under 10-20 more feet of water "on average" before they would be useless.

Try driving your car, or buying cloth's without the ports to deliver the oil, metal or goods.

Try keeping the pumps going without electricity, try going to work without lights.
try going to the store without power to keep the items refrigerated.

Then again, whats the point of having a car with most road ways blocked by water, whats the point of going to work if your day to day life is none exsistant.
what would be the point of going to the mall, if the power is out. or the movies, or trying to play golf with every low land on the course filled with water.

A city run's out of power for a few hours and full on riots break out "who cares WHY, thats not the point" the fact is it happends every** time.

What people do not understand is water is heavy, it seeps and soaks into everything. Sure a water way system can move water from point A to point B, but there is NO system that can hold out on the total mass and weight of the intire ocean spilling into whatever low lands it can reach.

The intire vally of california would be under water, any place with a 15 foot dam or imbankment would fail, im not talking about massive death of untold billions.
Im talkin' about the total and complete brakedown of every day life.

And thats all in just one* state. Not even nation wide, or world wide.
Ever waided thru water upto your neck for 15+ mins to try to get to higher land in a flood? JUST so you could dry off in the sun, before going back and completing your task? "getting fresh water"

I have, try doin' that for the rest of your life.

Power systems down or cut, ground becomes soiled..weak power polls fall over,fail.
Gas/oil/lubrecation/material for plastics, distrabution fail, road's unpassable, bridges down, gas at all time high from lack of global wide movement or in some locations no resupply at all.
Farm lands flooded, useless, nations food supply cut in half or more.

I do not consider myself a enviromentalist, just someone who can see this happening already, goto the coast in california and you can see how much the water has gone up from even 3 years ago.

On the pluss side, i can swim very well..can you?