Originally posted by vorticon
i dont see much science being done...by either side.
show me some real bare data from a few different sources, on even just the major variables that everyone talks about...and i'll pay attention
Because it has gone too far for that. Too much money is involved. Politics are involved. Economics are involved. Reputations are involved.
The USA and NASA are pretty much shutting down long term orbital observation of the planet Earth, and have removed it from NASA's mission statement: "if you don't see it, it didn't happen." Move along. There's nothing to see here. When it is official government policy to quit monitoring a potential problem and threat, something is wrong.
Science today is too much about producing what the people funding you want to see in the results. Not necessarily the facts. On either side of the issue now. And sometimes, some efforts seemed gears toward disinformation or muddying the waters enough so no one can get a clear picture. Hence the start of this thread about an article trying to tie Mars conditions to Earth, and blaming it all on the sun (which, if that were the case, humanity is absolutely screwed), even though our data on Mars is so much more limited (5 landers and a few orbiters) compared to what we know about the Earth (hundreds to thousands of years of documentation, observations, and core samples).
You do have many pushing the global warming issue into a religion or movement these days, as well as all the Luddites jumping in. OTOH, the biggest press
against looking at or doing anything about global warming seems to come down to individuals not wanting anything to impact their own wallet. All about self interest in that camp. "Don't bother me!"
anyone want to tell me why the highest upwards trend for Canada is in the far north, where theres far far less emissions than the great lakes and St. Lawrence area, where most of our industry is?
Probably a result from the lack of polar ice reflecting the suns rays back into space at the poles. There is a lot of open water up there for much longer parts of the year (hence all the drowning polar bears) --- open water takes in more heat from solar radiation than pack ice. So, the far north of Canada sees the effects first. Same for any land mass that loses its covering of ice and snow up north. Ground absorbs more solar radiation.
