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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2007, 02:17:15 PM »
all good suggestions.    A handgun and a long gun are two different animals.

You can do things with a handgun that you can't do with the long gun...  like have it on or near you when you need it.   A revolver can be a nightstand paperweight till ya need it.

I like em all and fortunately we don't have to own just one.   I would probly go with my 44 mag and 4" barrel if that were the case...  Long gun?  would be a tough choice between my garand and shotgun.

The most important thing tho is to not vote for democrats...  every single gun suggested here save a single or double barrel shotgun... is on their "to be banned" list.

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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2007, 03:08:32 PM »
My first gun back in when i was 14 that i bought was a Benelli super 90 HK.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=73083130

It is my best friend and never lets me down.

Versatile make this gun so special.

For Mexico dove hunting i purchased a extension for 8 rounds.

For quail i purchased a 24 inch barrel.

For pigs i purchased a pistol grip stock and tapped and drilled for a red dot. This configuration is also deadly for spring turkey.

Thousands and thousands of shell have been shot from this gun and i would trust it with my life. I will never part with this gun and it will always be in my family has long as i am around.

Its not the prettiest gun in the safe.

Man it can rock and role down in Mexico to Llano..

Everyone needs a 12ga in the house

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« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2007, 05:16:31 PM »
I am a LE Sergeant, am retired US Army, have been a competitive shooter for 35 years, have been a firearms instructor 30 years, and was the plant manager for Kimber of America (firearms manufacturer).

First, get training. Not just basic firearms training, but use of force training also. I’m positive you can find a trainer/school in your area that provides both.

Secondly, for a defensive firearm -

I usually recommend a .357 Magnum revolver as a personal defense firearm for new shooters.

1. Allows you to use relatively inexpensive low-recoil .38 Specials for training, plus you can use .38 Special +P loads for self defense until you develop the ability to comfortably use the 125 grain jacketed hollow-point .357 Magnums (which is still one of the best, if not the best, defensive loads available).

2. Revolvers have an “ease of use” factor plus are extremely reliable and are easier to maintain when compared to auto-loaders.

Using factory center fire ammunition I have never had a “failure to fire” using a quality revolver out of the tens of thousands of rounds I’ve fired in revolvers; I can’t say the same with my auto-loader handguns (I like and own several auto-loaders as well as several revolvers, and I have a high degree of trust in my auto-loaders – but I also spend a lot more time shooting and testing my guns with various rounds than most folks)

As an alternative, a shotgun is also a decent choice, but I take exception to a couple things posted so far.

At less than thirty feet (10 yards) a shotgun still needs to be aimed. My LE Remington 870 (18” barrel) produces about a nice five inch pattern. At fifteen feet (a more realistic home defense range) the nine pellets of 00 Buck cluster at about two inches. Yes, a handgun can group tighter, but both will require aiming at this range to insure a well placed hit. At forty to fifty feet, the shotgun spread gets to such that “pointing” (instead of “aiming”) the shotgun starts to become viable.

Any twelve gauge load (even a twenty gauge) can over penetrate standard double dry wall construction at close range, just as single projectile ammunition. The problem is with “shot pattern density” or “concentration of the shot”. We took a LE twelve-gauge loaded with #6 bird shot and shot clear through a section of double dry wall construction at ten feet. The shot pattern density at this range was dense enough to act as a solid projectile. Heavier shot will act like multiple single heavy projectiles – 00 Buck pellets are .33 caliber each and will act like multiple .32 Magnums fired from a handgun in penetration.

Hope this is informative,




This is me at a recent shotgun training. I'm the handsome one on the right. Note the ten yard pattern.

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« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2007, 06:01:52 PM »
That looks like a good 10 yrd pattern. I like a my shot gun to pattern about the size of a basket ball at 25-30 yrds for hunting. Also i feel that the 2 3/4 00 buck pattern better than the 3 inch. Have you ever tested the 2 3/4 over the 3 inch before.

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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2007, 08:48:10 PM »
No side-by-side comparison. That one in the picture is with a 2 3/4 inch shell.

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« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2007, 09:43:17 PM »
Next time i am out at the ranch i will test 2 3/4 VS 3 inch. I dont have any paper targets only steel set up. Most of the time i pattern on a salamanderly pear. If i get three holes in the patty, that's good for me at 30 yrds.

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« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2007, 10:12:03 PM »
I've yet to fire a 3-inch shell in my 12-gauge Stoeger coach shotgun.  2 3/4, especially magnum, has been plenty enough thrill so far.
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« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2007, 10:18:36 PM »
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Ruger 10-22.

They're cheap, accurate, and you can shoot all day at the range for $10 in ammo. All of the other suggestions here have been good guns, but how useful can you be with 'em if you can't afford to put a few hundred or thousand rounds through targets in practice?

Sure, it's a rifle, but it'll protect your family (assuming you're not being taken down by huge insectoids from Starship Troopers or something), it's cheap to buy, cheap to operate, and you can spend some time developing the basics.

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I liked my old model Ruger 10-22, and thought I would like the new sleeker 10-22 even better.  Wrong.  The mag release and bolt locks were pains, and two extra Ruger mags I bought didn't feed right.  

Messed around with modifications, still couldn't develop confidence in the new 10-22, and finally was happy to trade it in.  After researching more, now have a simpler more reliable Marlin Model 60 14-shot tubular and much prefer it over the 10-22.  

I'm still a Ruger fan, but not of the new 10-22.
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« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2007, 10:57:36 PM »
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What are the major advantages and disadvantages to a revolver opposed to a "clip" gun?
It's a "magazine".   Come on man, you say "clip" in the military, well good luck.  

Get either a .357 or a .45 Auto.   I have HK USP 45 and love it.   I want to get a 1911 now.
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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2007, 12:36:24 AM »
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I've yet to fire a 3-inch shell in my 12-gauge Stoeger coach shotgun.  2 3/4, especially magnum, has been plenty enough thrill so far.


Funny story about that coach gun. We purchased the same gun for one of my friends b-days. In Cotulla we dared him to pull both trigger's with 00 buck. He did and the gun split his lip (: Whats great is that its all on video. That person holds a elective postion with the Texas goverment. To this day he has confirmed that he has a copy but will burn it before we get our hands on it.

I think he is worried that we would put it up on your tube (:

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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2007, 08:35:39 AM »
asa335... you are going to make dago mad.  There is a loaded Kimber eclipse 45 sitting near me as I type..  first semi auto pistol I truly trusted.   Still..  I like my 44 mag revolvers and my 360 smith pd in .357 for a pocket gun.

I would recommend people try a 44 mag in say a redhawk or new smith.... these are manageable sized...  If the recoil does not bother you or you like it... they are very accurate.. if you reload you can load down for the house and up for long range..  I believe the 44 mag in the right hand and.... for a reloader...  is the most versitile handgun going.

Shotguns?   I am not very good with one...  I have two model 97 winchesters tho...  They are reliable in the extreme.

The garand is a rock... it is powerful and accurate and reliable.

for 22's.. I have a 1952 K22 masterpiece revolver that is just sweet...  I also have a conversion to 22 for my Cz75 clone that shoots well.

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« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2007, 10:30:58 AM »
Halo,

I have an old Marlin, the one with the stock cut to look a little like an M1 carbine and a Ruger 10/22. The Marlin is at least 30 years old and is the gun I take with me the most for .22 plinking or hunting. The Ruger is nice, but heavy, the sights are too close to the comb of the stock and pretty coarse and the magazines are too expensive and a PITA to deal with. That old Marlin tube feed just keeps on working and the accuracy is just fine for hunting.
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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2007, 12:00:49 PM »
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for 22's.. I have a 1952 K22 masterpiece revolver that is just sweet...


I've been trying to find one at one of those prices that makes everyone else jealous for a while now. No luck yet.

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« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2007, 12:05:07 PM »
I'm looking for a .22 conversion kit for my Desert Eagle .50, any ideas?
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« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2007, 12:14:21 PM »
I'm not aware of such a conversion kit for that model, Chairboy. I gotta ask, tho...aww, nevermind. :D