Author Topic: Knight Rook or Bish (Read 11844 times)

WaRLoCkL · « **Reply #150 on:** June 16, 2007, 03:11:26 AM »

I think yarbles is right the numbers do prove it, skill leval on rook side is supiror mainly because theres alot of veterans, and team play is way more organized, i can start a mission and get 25 people easy and take 8 bases within 2 hours, ive done it many times

xBishsquaddie · « **Reply #151 on:** June 16, 2007, 12:06:45 PM »

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Originally posted by FALCONWING

i will say this about the rooks though: i dont believe their skill level is higher than knights...i find them all very killable ...

Falcnwng-god-complex

Now you know why many of us left Birds of Prey

LTARsqrl · « **Reply #152 on:** June 16, 2007, 04:52:33 PM »

WaRLoCkL, I tend to disagree.

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i can start a mission and get 25 people easy and take 8 bases within 2 hours, ive done it many times

It shows that Rooks kill more and die less. It shows nothing about skill. 25 Rooks vulching a base does not show a great amount of skill though it will show a great kill to death ratio. It shows a large number of opportunists, not skilled pilots. Even the worst pilot in the game can shoot a stationary plane and get a kill. The trick is beating his 24 buddies to the kill. And of all three sides, I have seen more "Rook Hoards" vulching fields than Knights or Bishops. That is just what I have seen though.

The numbers not take into account that people will fight on and on to brake the cap. Dying countless times and killing one or two of the vulchers but eventually busting the cap and saving the base. It does not take into account people that will up Ostwinds in an overwhelming number of enemy air cons and die countless times to bombs just to hone gunnery skills. We do this a lot. Sorry if we are trashing the stats.

It just shows that Rooks kill more and die less. It shows nothing more. The very fact that dying means nothing in this game other than score trashes those stats. Each side has some VERY good pilots and some VERY lousy pilots. You can't say that the pilots that fly for one side have more skills than pilots that fly for either of the other sides.

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FALCONWING · « **Reply #153 on:** June 16, 2007, 09:59:45 PM »

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Originally posted by xBishsquaddie
Falcnwng-god-complex

Now you know why many of us left Birds of Prey

or were kicked out:t

hubsonfire · « **Reply #154 on:** June 17, 2007, 12:01:45 AM »

kingsixbishsquaddie?

LTARsqrl · « **Reply #155 on:** June 17, 2007, 02:14:27 AM »

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crockett · « **Reply #156 on:** June 17, 2007, 04:12:20 PM »

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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
WaRLoCkL, I tend to disagree.

It shows that Rooks kill more and die less. It shows nothing about skill. 25 Rooks vulching a base does not show a great amount of skill though it will show a great kill to death ratio. It shows a large number of opportunists, not skilled pilots. Even the worst pilot in the game can shoot a stationary plane and get a kill. The trick is beating his 24 buddies to the kill. And of all three sides, I have seen more "Rook Hoards" vulching fields than Knights or Bishops. That is just what I have seen though.

The numbers not take into account that people will fight on and on to brake the cap. Dying countless times and killing one or two of the vulchers but eventually busting the cap and saving the base. It does not take into account people that will up Ostwinds in an overwhelming number of enemy air cons and die countless times to bombs just to hone gunnery skills. We do this a lot. Sorry if we are trashing the stats.

It just shows that Rooks kill more and die less. It shows nothing more. The very fact that dying means nothing in this game other than score trashes those stats. Each side has some VERY good pilots and some VERY lousy pilots. You can't say that the pilots that fly for one side have more skills than pilots that fly for either of the other sides.

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What makes you think most of our kills come from vuching? I find it rare when I can get to a base in time and get a little vulching done. I'd say 90% of my fighter to fighter kills if not 95% come from planes in the air.

Hell if I do happen to get lucky and get to a bases that's deacked, has the VH down and has guys upping on the runway, then I'm lucky to get 4 or 5 kills.

Why do you act as if Knights or Bish don't vulch aswell, vulching isn't a Rooks only thing.

BTW why do you just assume it's only Bish that will fight to get a base uncapped? I do it all the time and I'm a Rook. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, I tell yea..

LTARsqrl · « **Reply #157 on:** June 17, 2007, 08:21:30 PM »

crockett:

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What makes you think most of our kills come from vuching?

Where did I say "MOST" of Rook kills came from vulching. I said that BECAUSE of vulching the statistics, which were posted dating back to 2003 by the way, don't mean squat.

crockett:

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Why do you act as if Knights or Bish don't vulch as well, vulching isn't a Rooks only thing.

LTARsqrl:

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And of all three sides, I have seen more "Rook Hoards" vulching fields than Knights or Bishops. That is just what I have seen though.

Notice it says "I", meaning my personal observations from my experience. Also, note that it does not exclude Knights and Bishops, just states that "I" see more Rooks participating in major vulchfests than the other sides. Also, it does NOT say that this observation is from the last week, or month. But rather from the past YEARS.

crockett:

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BTW why do you just assume it's only Bish that will fight to get a base uncapped?

Did I say that? Or did you?

LTARsqrl:

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The numbers not take into account that people will fight on and on to brake the cap. Dying countless times and killing one or two of the vulchers but eventually busting the cap and saving the base.

Why did YOU assume I meant ONLY Bishops?

Don't read more into my post that is there. This simply states that those statistics don't mean squat about pilot skill when dying has no value beyond score. It points out just one type of example on how the Kill/Death ratios are tainted.

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B@tfinkV · « **Reply #158 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:03:48 PM »

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Originally posted by FALCONWING
or were kicked out:t

lmao, smooth falc

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just a hint, the idea (for me) is not to break a CAP with huge sacrifice of life. Up a fighter and kill as many as you can is the first option. If that fails up an La7. If that fails up an IL2. when that fails up a formation of B26s and finally after these four attempts its time to go to another field and come in at 10,000ft.

Yarbles · « **Reply #159 on:** June 18, 2007, 07:44:21 AM »

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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL

I recently spent a night on the knight side because of our usual massive eny. It was totally different expereince, i found no teamwork, and the vox was silent as a ghost town, no check sixes, no plane calls, no order or cordination at all, everyone was out for themselfs. but i do not remember it that way. but alot of things have changed since i was a knight, alot of the big squads are now gone.

To which I say yes but:

Yesterday (Sunday) was completely different, about 25 nights from about 3 squads flying as one in disciplined back to back missions taking base after base. (Led by Precisision (+) the finest squad in the game). Some of us even enjoyed it

Surely this must be good for Rook and Bish especially Rooks who seem to be the current supremo's

It would be great if all 3 countries could get even better at this and then all of us go and beat up some other WW2 simulation.

4deck · « **Reply #160 on:** June 18, 2007, 08:36:51 AM »

Thanx Yarbles, But those missions, Precision only led the B24's, everyone else had the Lead in their own rides, and also knew what to do. And BTW WAS F'Kn Excellent. I might say. The best line, from that was

"They were still typing WTF when we captured the base".

Cheers:p

Yarbles · « **Reply #161 on:** June 18, 2007, 08:58:16 AM »

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Originally posted by 4deck
Thanx Yarbles, But those missions, Precision only led the B24's, everyone else had the Lead in their own rides, and also knew what to do. And BTW WAS F'Kn Excellent. I might say. The best line, from that was

"They were still typing WTF when we captured the base".

Cheers:p

I think in my own tiny world that these missions showed the overwhelmong power of accurate, heavy "precision" bombing blasting the way open for what amounted to a Blitzcrieg

Surprise, co ordination and overwhelming force, Kill Crush Destroy

klingan · « **Reply #162 on:** June 18, 2007, 09:16:53 AM »

Bruv119 · « **Reply #163 on:** June 18, 2007, 09:21:33 AM »

A12 the field you took last night with 400 bombers.

was reclaimed this morning by my 1 set of lancs, 1 typhoon and a goon.

Precision bombing is better than the whole of the 8th AAF

it was good to see the weaklings of AH put together a mission that worked however many of you it took. Now try it without the absurd amount of planes. Or let me have unlimited ammo in the K4!!!

SlapShot · « **Reply #164 on:** June 18, 2007, 09:42:38 AM »

Led by Precisision (+) the finest squad in the game

"Surprise, co ordination and overwhelming force, Kill Crush Destroy"

and there ya have it all in a nutshell.