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Offline Karnak

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« on: June 05, 2007, 08:53:30 PM »
Quite some time ago I posted my suggestions for a complete Spitfire lineup for Aces High.  That post lead to vigorous debate and lots of suggestions by well informed members of this board and was successful beyond my hopes.  Of late I have noticed an increasing number of posts about the Mosquito, including some that had data I had not previously been able to obtain.  In that light I feel it is time to post a suggested list of Mosquitoes for Aces High.  This is not a complete list intended to cover the complete wartime service of the Mosquito though, as the Mosquito was not a core aircraft like the Spitfire was.


Mosquito B.Mk IV Series ii: (Merlin 21 at +12lbs boost) Day and night bomber.  First production aircraft flew March, 1942. Four 250lb bombs or four 500lb bombs in bomb bay.  Heavy flares for target marking carried in place of bombs on Pathfinder missions.

Note: This is the first offensive Mosquito.  The B.Mk IV proved that de Haviland's claim that speed could act as a better defensive ploy than turrets and guns for bombers was correct.

Mosquito FB.Mk VI Series ii: (Merlin 25 at +18lbs boost) Day and night fighter-bomber/intruder/long range fighter.  First production aircraft flew February, 1943.  Four 20mm Hispano Mk II cannon and four .303 inch Browning machine guns in the nose.  Two 250lb or 500lb bombs in the rear bomb bay and two 250lb or 500lb bombs on wing racks, or four 60lb rockets under each wing, or one mine or depth charge under each wing and combinations of drop tanks and offensive weapons.

Note: This is the Mosquito we have in Aces High now.  I recommend the flame dampers be removed from the 3D model and the flight model as FB.VIs that were used in daylight operations were not equipped with flame dampers.  Roughly 2/3rds of FB.Mk VIs had ejector stacks and 1/3rd had flame dampers.

Mosquito B.Mk XVI: (Merlin 72/73 or 76/77, counter rotating propellors)  Day and night bomber.  First production aircraft flew January, 1944.  Four 500lb bombs in the bomb bay and two 500lb bombs on wing racks or one 4,000lb bomb in the bomb bay.  Heavy flares for target marking carried in place of bombs on Pathfinder missions.

Note: The B.Mk XVI would most likely be a low end perk bomber due to its ability to fly faster than 400mph while carrying a 4,000lb bomb at 27,000ft.


Those three Mosquitoes would give us a basic lineup of Mosquitoes, an early bomber and late bomber and a fighter version that served from its introduction until well after WWII.

While I would like to imagine that ther 57mm Molins gun could be a perk ordnance option for the FB.Mk VI the fact is that the FB.Mk XVIIIs also had an additional 800lbs of armor, making it unlikely that this could be done.

The Mosquito F.Mk II would be nice to have as an early Mosquito fighter with lower performance and no bomb capablities.  The F.Mk II also lacked the strengthened wing introduced with the FB.Mk VI.

It would also be nice to see a bull nosed night-fighter Mosquito such as the NF.Mk XIII, NF.Mk XIX or NF.Mk 30, but due to Aces High's daylight focus these are not really needed.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 10:34:42 PM »
I for one would love to see these versions of the Mossie! My great-uncle was the CO of the very first Mosquito squadron in the RAF (105 Squadron. His name was Hughie Edwards VC).

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 01:33:44 AM »
NF's were used more and more during daylight in the later stages of the war, so can't see a reason why we couldn't have one.

NF.30 would be a blast.

Perking the B XVI would turn it into a hanger queen.
No defensive capabilities apart from speed, if caught no hope.

Flame dampers -
First batch FB VI - No rocket capabily, flame dampers fitted as standard at factory.

Second and subsequent batch FB VI - Rocket capability, flame dampers NOT fitted at factory.

So our current one is a kludge anyway.

But yes, remove them on the remodel.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 01:52:17 AM »
Nice list.

NF 30 would be awesome.

If one of the mossies is to be perked, i think the B.35 would be better.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2007, 02:54:42 AM »
The performance I have for the NF.Mk 30 is as follows:

00,000ft: 338mph
13,500ft: 400mph
26,500ft: 424mph

The NF.Mk 30 was the best nightfighter of WWII flown by any nation.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2007, 03:23:44 AM »
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Originally posted by breadroll
I for one would love to see these versions of the Mossie! My great-uncle was the CO of the very first Mosquito squadron in the RAF (105 Squadron. His name was Hughie Edwards VC).

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Wow!  That's some Great Uncle.  When it comes to Blenheims and Mossies he's a bit of a legend to those who pay attention.  Got a photo in one of my books of him boarding a Mossie as a matter of fact.

Great Uncle WingCo Hugh Edwards VC on the left and his navigator boarding a 105 Mossie in 1942
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2007, 03:40:31 AM »
I know this has been said but i'll say it again.  

Perk loadout option for the mossie tse tse.  I would love to have 25 rounds of  the 75mm cannon.  Also the stuka should get the big uns that Rudel used on the eastern front.

When ammo gets porked i've been practicing with the hurri 2d's cannon and its lethal.  I would like to see a couple more options.  If the argument is that the GV's wont like it, they don't like my 2 x 40mm, so one 75mm gun shouldnt be a problem eh ;)


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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2007, 07:55:00 AM »
The Tse-Tse would probably see some use, and as all other options, it's a relatively little job for HTC to add Mossies instead of completely new aircraft.
That said, it's not all true. Redoing the graphics is after all, quite a job....
Anyway, I really support the idea of the Mossie being raised to it's merit, it was after all close to being a stealth aircraft in it's time, with speed enough to extend from almost anything with a propeller.
I recall an encounter of 190's trying to catch Mossies in daylight over the North Sea, close to the Danish coast. The Mossies saw the thread, and won the run.
And as a support to that, an old P51 jock said: "Those Mosquitos were probably faster than my Mustang". Oh, to me, that is.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2007, 10:59:01 AM »
would love to see mossie bombers............. for me the question is should mossie bomber formations be enabled?

my view is yes but it was not one formed immediately
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2007, 12:02:04 PM »
Yes, Hugh Edwards is a name I have seen repeatedly in my Mossie studies and always in a positive light.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2007, 12:08:58 PM »
Hell yes! I'd pay perks to buy a single 4k cookie!

If only to drop on GVs!!!! MUAHAHAHAHHA! (Hey, my perks I'll spend 'em how I want!)

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2007, 12:43:11 PM »
Nothing to add from Karnaks post save the crew armor (for the love of god, please), and the CoG fix.

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2007, 12:52:09 PM »
I was looking through my Mossie stuff and noticed mentioned of protected fuel tanks, which I took to mean self-sealing.  Also mention of an extinguisher system for the engines in case of fire.

Would be nice to not have the Mossie be such a torch so fast.  I've never seen anything to indicate it burned like they do in AH.  We know the Zeke, for example, didn't have protected fuel tanks and did burn easily.  

To have the Mossie burn like that doesn't seem to fit.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2007, 01:17:16 PM »
thanks dan ive been stating this over and over 9out of 10 deaths are from a fire in AH.

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2007, 01:45:32 PM »
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thanks dan ive been stating this over and over 9out of 10 deaths are from a fire in AH.


Came across it about 4 AM last night while wading through a book on the Mossie.

Then I remembered "Terror in the Starboard Seat" by Dave McCintosh and he writes specifically about an incident with an engine fire and hitting the extinguisher button that put out the fire so they could bring it in single engine.

Made me think of that photo of the toasted Mossie that was too close to the V-1 it shot down.  It was blackened, but it didn't burn :)

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