Author Topic: 850,000 For a 109 (Read 1501 times)

DaddyAck · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2007, 11:18:39 PM »

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Originally posted by evenhaim
yep
iaf avia 199 after conversion

Yeah I saw several color photos of it as well as schematics off the web, It does not do Willy's desighn any credit.

Yeah ^ those are the pictures I was refering to

evenhaim · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2007, 11:33:43 PM »

yep i would like to post some of my personal pics but for certian reasons (hoping to become a pilot) cannot have any pics of u on the net

Benny Moore · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2007, 11:42:05 PM »

What's that? I.A.F. won't allow any pilots or prospective pilots to post pictures of themselves on the internet?

evenhaim · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2007, 11:49:39 PM »

nope

evenhaim · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2007, 11:50:18 PM »

they do a backround check ur r/l name cant be tied to your picture

Stoney74 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:26:00 AM »

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Originally posted by evenhaim

Anyone else see any irony here???

Platano · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:31:58 AM »

german plane with isreali markings??

israel=jews?

Stoney74 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:34:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Platano
german plane with isreali markings??

israel=jews?

I knew the IAF scraped together a bunch of WWII aircraft after the war (Spits and such). Just didn't know they flew 109's...Thought it was ironic--certainly didn't intend any disrespect.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:43:30 AM »

Not only that, they flew 109's against Egyptian Spitfires.

Knegel · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:53:15 AM »

Hi,

imho the Avia is by far more nice than the Buchon. I could get crazy to see the ugly Merlin cowling with the high mounted propeller on the otherwise symetric streamlined 109 airframe.
The Jumo at least still did provice the good front view.

Very interesting is the success of the IAF over the EAF with this horrible performing plane.

http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hangar/2848/fighter1.htm

Some more nice pictures:
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/s199ng_1.html

Good visivle is the "bubble canophy".

Greetings,

Knegel

Furball · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:54:47 AM »

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Originally posted by evenhaim
they do a backround check ur r/l name cant be tied to your picture

Flyboy is training to be an Israeli AF pilot, there were a ton of pics of him on here from re-unions and stuff.

Charge · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2007, 03:52:21 AM »

Maybe the COG was placed too far back, or maybe the thrustline was too high with Jumo? The cowling certainly looks more sleek than that of Buchon.

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Viking · « **Reply #27 on:** June 07, 2007, 05:20:30 AM »

The problem with the Avia was the very high torque of the Jumo engine. Put a high torque bomber engine in a 109 that already got ground handling problems and you have a recipe for disaster.

Charge · « **Reply #28 on:** June 07, 2007, 05:36:27 AM »

I can't see how much different the torque could have been from DB engined 109. The nickname "Mule" came from bad flight characteristics which were considered quite a bit worse than those of original design.

Of course if the engine was heavier and not lighter it could not be moved aft enough to keep the COL and COG at the same area resulting in very forward heavy design which would be really a "mule" to fly.

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Knegel · « **Reply #29 on:** June 07, 2007, 06:44:48 AM »

Hi,

Its not the engine, the very big propellers was made to be placed in a He111, they was made for slowspeed mainly, where they did create much thrust but also torque.

Additionally the pilots did talk about a nose-heavyness, probably the engine + propeller was to heavy.

Rumors say the landing speed was 190km/h.

All over it was propably the most horrible of all 109´s, nevertheless the IAF pilots shot down some SpitIXLF´s(Agypt Air Force) in close combat.

Greetings,

Knegel