Author Topic: 850,000 For a 109 (Read 1502 times)

Treize69 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 07, 2007, 07:51:11 AM »

Not taking anything away from the bravery and skill of the early IAF pilots, but remember that most of the S.199s successes were in defending Isreali territory until P-51Ds and Spits could be acquired and issued.

They were mainly (though by no means exclusively) used to defend against bombing raids by converted C-47s. Has anyone in this game ever had a problems with killing C-47s in a G14R6? Other than the different engine, thats basically what it was in terms of armament and airframe (though with no hub-mounted cannon).

They did yeoman service holding the line until better equipment was available, kind of like the P-39 for the USAAF, but any success they had was due to determined and skillful pilots, not the aircraft.

Knegel · « **Reply #31 on:** June 07, 2007, 11:09:18 AM »

If you dont wanna taking anything away from the bravery and skill of the early IAF pilots you should read before writing.

03-Jun-48 Avia S 199 2 C-47 Egypt
08-Jun-48 Avia S 199 1 Spitfire Egypt
10-Jul-48 Avia S 199 1 AT-6 Syria
18-Jul-48 Avia S 199 1 Spitfire Egypt
23-Sep-48 Avia S 199 1 Rapide Jordan
16-Oct-48 Avia S 199 1 Spitfire Egypt

http://home.comcast.net/~anneled/IAFtotal.html

Although the few combat ready Avias mainly flew ground support, they stopped the bombing raids to Tel Aviv and as you can see, they also was successfull vs the Spitfires. Actually they shot down more armned planes than sitting ducks.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_253.shtml

Btw, the Avias had only 2 x 20mm not 3 x 20mm like the G14R6.

And to shoot down a plane in a cheap simulation is a "bit" different than to do it in real life, or better sayed, 1st you need to find the C47´s, if you wanna shoot them down, while Israel dont had a good working Airforce (ground controll etc) at this time.

Edit: Before the IAF got other planes(Spit/P51) the Egyptian attack already was stopped with big help of the Avia pilots.

Greetings,

Knegel

Viking · « **Reply #32 on:** June 07, 2007, 04:30:19 PM »

It just goes to show that no matter how badly cobbled together, the 109 will always own the Spit!

(J/K)

evenhaim · « **Reply #33 on:** June 07, 2007, 07:24:16 PM »

hey ball thats not a suggested thing to do and im not sure if he made it... if u do have pics with name and title etc. that are current then theyd make u delete em most likly its just no something u do

btw avias took on multiple fighters ive heard of an avia beating 2 spits in a 3 on 1 guess who was the 3 and the 1 , last spit got away, lmao egyptians are total runfire pilots

Spikes · « **Reply #34 on:** June 07, 2007, 07:27:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
Flyboy is training to be an Israeli AF pilot, there were a ton of pics of him on here from re-unions and stuff.

which flyboy? there is like 10.

Knegel · « **Reply #35 on:** June 07, 2007, 11:51:07 PM »

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Originally posted by evenhaim

btw avias took on multiple fighters ive heard of an avia beating 2 spits in a 3 on 1 guess who was the 3 and the 1 , last spit got away, lmao egyptians are total runfire pilots

I would say that rumor, according to several sources never two Spits at once got shot down by Avias.

evenhaim · « **Reply #36 on:** June 08, 2007, 02:08:04 AM »

possibly but u do know that an avia was accredited with shooting down 1 raf soitfire and his wingmen the 101st sqdrn flying spits was acredited with 4 kills 3 raf spits and 1 raf tempest that was searching for the downed spits. i have article if you wish to view:aok

Knegel · « **Reply #37 on:** June 08, 2007, 03:26:00 AM »

Hi,

i know this article, the Spitfire pilots wasnt fighting at all, they got shot down my mistake, cause the IAF pilots thought they just strafe ground troops, while the RAF pilots only was up to make pictures of the already buring trucks(attacked by EAF Spitfires 20min before).
The downed Tempest was flow by a Rooki and the half of the Temps dont had working cannons, while none was able to drop their droptanks(great to send the pilots out with such a maintance service.

).

Why the Tempests got attacked at all is not clear, cause this planes was easy to idetify as RAF planes and the EAF dont had Tempests.

http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hangar/2848/fighter1.htm

As the kill list i posted above show, the Avias shot down 3 EAF Spits, but not in one mission, no RAF Spitfire was shot down by a Avia.
http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hangar/2848/fighter1.htm

evenhaim · « **Reply #38 on:** June 08, 2007, 02:48:32 PM »

my intardnet source may be wrong.... might have to go ask for sources from my uncle who is a pilot with acces to some air force records:aok