Author Topic: For anyone who has ANY interest in the Bf-109... (Read 3503 times)

Viking · « **Reply #60 on:** June 11, 2007, 04:34:24 AM »

Good day to you too sir.

Serenity · « **Reply #61 on:** June 11, 2007, 06:40:38 AM »

As Bf is as well correct, I will always continue saying it.

DaddyAck · « **Reply #62 on:** June 11, 2007, 09:12:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
As Bf is as well correct, I will always continue saying it.

As well you should,

(this comes from Wikipedia. I usually do not like that site, but I am at my cubicle at work and do not have acess to any of my books right now, though it looks pretty accurate.)

Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (Bavarian Aircraft Works), also known as BFW, was formed in 1926 in Augsburg, Bavaria. Willy Messerschmitt joined the company in 1927 as chief designer and engineer, and formed a design team. He promoted a concept he called "light weight construction" in which many typically separate load-bearing parts were merged into a single reinforced firewall, thereby saving weight and improving performance. The first true test of the concept was in the Bf 108 Taifun sports-plane, which would soon be setting all sorts of records. Based on this performance the company was invited to submit a design for the Luftwaffe's 1935 fighter contest, winning it with the Bf 109, based on the same construction methods.

From this point on Messerschmitt became a favourite of the Nazi party, as much for his designs as his political abilities and the factory location in southern Germany away from the "clumping" of aviation firms on the northern coast. BFW was reconstituted as Messerschmitt AG on July 11, 1938, with Willy Messerschmitt as chairman and managing director. The renaming of BFW resulted in the company's RLM designation changing from Bf to Me. Existing types, such as the Bf 109 and 110, retained their earlier designation in official documents, although sometimes the newer designations were used as well. In practise, all BFW/Messerschmitt aircraft from 108 to 163 (not the same plane as the Me 163) were prefixed Bf, all later types with Me.

Messerschmitt AG, later Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB) was a famous German aircraft manufacturer, known primarily for its World War II fighter aircraft, notably the Bf 109 and Me 262. The company survived in the post-war era, undergoing a number of mergers and changing its name from Messerschmitt before being bought by DASA in 1989, now part of EADS.

So, the 109s and 110s most certianly are Bf...........

Oh and Serenity, nice info on the 109s in your origal post that started this thread

Serenity · « **Reply #63 on:** June 11, 2007, 09:14:46 PM »

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Originally posted by DaddyAck
As well you should,

Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (Bavarian Aircraft Works), also known as BFW, was formed in 1926 in Augsburg, Bavaria. Willy Messerschmitt joined the company in 1927 as chief designer and engineer, and formed a design team. He promoted a concept he called "light weight construction" in which many typically separate load-bearing parts were merged into a single reinforced firewall, thereby saving weight and improving performance. The first true test of the concept was in the Bf 108 Taifun sports-plane, which would soon be setting all sorts of records. Based on this performance the company was invited to submit a design for the Luftwaffe's 1935 fighter contest, winning it with the Bf 109, based on the same construction methods.

From this point on Messerschmitt became a favourite of the Nazi party, as much for his designs as his political abilities and the factory location in southern Germany away from the "clumping" of aviation firms on the northern coast. BFW was reconstituted as Messerschmitt AG on July 11, 1938, with Willy Messerschmitt as chairman and managing director. The renaming of BFW resulted in the company's RLM designation changing from Bf to Me. Existing types, such as the Bf 109 and 110, retained their earlier designation in official documents, although sometimes the newer designations were used as well. In practise, all BFW/Messerschmitt aircraft from 108 to 163 (not the same plane as the Me 163) were prefixed Bf, all later types with Me.

Messerschmitt AG, later Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB) was a famous German aircraft manufacturer, known primarily for its World War II fighter aircraft, notably the Bf 109 and Me 262. The company survived in the post-war era, undergoing a number of mergers and changing its name from Messerschmitt before being bought by DASA in 1989, now part of EADS.

So, the 109s and 110s most certianly are Bf...........

Oh and Serenity, nice info on the 109s

Thanks. I had about 10 articles of similar detail stored on my old computer, but sadly ive lost them all. Im going to try to find my other great article I think you will all enjoy. It devotes and entire section to the Me/Bf argument. Yeah, im in love with the Bf-109, I read anything I can get my hands on about it. In fact, its second only to my love of the B-17(F).

DaddyAck · « **Reply #64 on:** June 11, 2007, 09:35:45 PM »

I have always been "in love" with the 109 in all its incarnations. I like its earliest air frames used in spain with its clean sleek lines, all the way to its late war variants that were long, lean, and smooth. Not to mention the power that the DB601 - DB605 gave it. I like to go sometimes and look for the engine starts and run-ups on those birds on "youtube" or some other video web site as I also think there is nothing like the sound of one of those inverted V 12Cyl engines.

Nice flying video of the now on static display "Black6"

Aother decent video of a Bf.109 startup takeoff / landing as well as a close up of the DB605

Serenity · « **Reply #65 on:** June 11, 2007, 09:40:23 PM »

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Originally posted by DaddyAck
I have always been "in love" with the 109 in all its incarnations. I like its earliest air frames used in spain with its clean sleek lines, all the way to its late war variants that were long, lean, and smooth. Not to mention the power that the DB601 - DB605 gave it. I like to go sometimes and look for the engine starts and run-ups on those birds on "youtube" or some other video web site as I also think there is nothing like the sound of one of those inverted V 12Cyl engines.

Nice flying video of the now on static display "Black6"

Aother decent video of a Bf.109 startup takeoff / landing as well as a close up of the DB605

Yes, that famous scream of the supercharger... a friend of mine was fortunate enough to work on getting one flight-worthy as a mechanic, and will readily tell you the first time he heard that engine start up, it got him 'up' faster than any girl could. Strange man... lol

Personally, The Dora and Emil are my two favorite models.

DaddyAck · « **Reply #66 on:** June 11, 2007, 10:04:03 PM »

I like the sound that the starter makes as it is being cranked up, as well as the sound of the engine in flight. As to my favorite model, I am inclined to say that would be the the Bf.109F2. I particularly like the one that my favorite ace Adolf Galland flew.

1K3 · « **Reply #67 on:** June 11, 2007, 10:15:27 PM »

Galland cursed at 109F for having peashooter guns.

Xasthur · « **Reply #68 on:** June 11, 2007, 10:51:58 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
Galland cursed at 109F for having peashooter guns.

Hence the upgrade to the Mg 151/20 cannon on the F4

DaddyAck · « **Reply #69 on:** June 11, 2007, 11:03:29 PM »

Galland spoke quite highly of the 109s, his 109F2 had 3x20mm on it. Had the spinner gun as well as one 20mm in each wing like the armament on the 109E only with the upgraded higher muzzle velocity cannons.

Knegel · « **Reply #70 on:** June 11, 2007, 11:40:34 PM »

Hi,

Any pictures of this plane or a other proof of its existence??

Greetings,

Knegel

DaddyAck · « **Reply #71 on:** June 12, 2007, 02:08:42 AM »

No problem...
(excerpts from Wikipedia.....again I do not llike wiki too much, but I am at work right now so have few options.)

[edit] Frontline service
Just before the outbreak of World War II, Galland was promoted to Hauptmann and took part in 50 ground-attack missions during the Invasion of Poland with 4.(S)/LG 2[3] equipped with the Henschel Hs 123, a "bi-plane Stuka", from 1 September 1939 onwards. He was transferred to the fighter unit Jagdgeschwader 27 in February 1940, as Adjudant. On 12 May 1940, near Liege, Galland scored his first aerial victory. By the end of the French campaign he had 14 victories. On 1 August Galland became the third fighter pilot to receive the Ritterkreuz.

Adolf Galland describes a dogfight to fellow pilots. (U.S. Air Force photo)From June 1940 on, Galland flew as a Gruppenkommandeur of III./JG 26, fighting the Battle of Britain flying Messerschmitt Bf 109 "Emils" from bases in the Pas de Calais. In July, Galland was promoted to major. By mid August, Luftwaffe commander Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring's dissatisfaction with the performance of the fighter arm led him to replace several of his pre-war Jagdgeschwader Commanders with the current wave of younger high-achievers.[4] Thus on 22 August Galland replaced Major Gotthard Handrick and became Geschwaderkommodore of JG 26. A month later, on 25 September, Galland was awarded the Eichenlaub to the Ritterkreuz for 40 kills.

By the end of 1940, he had 58 victories. Promoted to Oberstleutnant, Galland continued to lead JG 26 through 1941 against the RAF fighter sweeps across Northern Europe. In early 1941 most of the fighter units of the Luftwaffe were sent east to the Eastern Front, or south to the Mediterranean Theater of Operations, thus leaving JG 26 and Jagdgeschwader 2 Richthofen as the sole single-engine fighter Geschwadern in France.

By this time JG 26 were starting to re-equip with the new Bf 109F, normally equipped with a 15mm (or later a 20mm) cannon firing through the propeller hub and two cowl mounted 7,9mm MG17. Galland felt the model was grossly under-armed and so tested a series of 109 "specials;" one with a unique armament of a MG 151/20 cannon and two cowl mounted 12.7mm MG 131 machine guns, and another with integral wing mounted 20mm MG-FF cannons.