Squad Night Foiled Again

[halcyon]

Logged on tonight for squad night, and we see AvA is populated!
Arena message states, "be a gentlemen...do not HO, vulch, or gank."

First engagement a Hurri2C HO's my squaddie.
Second engagement we have four and they come in with 8 from 5k higher our alt.
Third engagement a P38 HO's another squaddie on takeoff.

So we leave, and go into LW Blue.
First mission, we try to up P-47D-25s. Can't though....ENY is at 25. Twentyfive.
The frickin' ENY is at 25.

We leave LW Blue and attempt to get into LW Orange. Can't...it's full. Repeated disconnecting and rejoin attempts don't raise the player limit. It stays full, and we're effectively done for the night because everyone is so disgusted.
Including me.
This game really is going downhill in my opinion.

*edit*
Btw flame me all you want but I just needed to vent my frustration...it was just one thing after another.

[nirvana]

Gank?  Is that a fishing term?

[Platano]

It said AVOID HO's and Ganging's******

[LTARsqrl]

Gee, and an ENY of 25?  Sounds like what Bishops deal with a lot.  

But tonight, Bishops had 38 players, while the other sides had 80+ players each.  That is why the ENY was so high.  And I agree, the arena cap really blows when ya can't join your squad.

LTARsqrl  <>  

[Bronk]

Originally posted by halcyon


So we leave, and go into LW Blue.
First mission, we try to up P-47D-25s. Can't though....ENY is at 25. Twentyfive.
The frickin' ENY is at 25.
 

Eny of 25 you say, wow that is rough.

Tell me, did it ever occur to you  to jump to the low numbers side?
Bet you and your whole squad could have.


Bronk

[WaRLoCkL]

I know how u feel. I personally balive that ENY makes NO DIFFERENCE in the war or outcome of battles. Good pilots in High ENY planes can take down LAs all day long. I really thing its something High Tech should do away with.

Also, on the other hand it might make some of the country jumpers go back to the lower numberd countries. I personally think it just wrecks the game.

[AAolds]

Overall I dont like ENY.  The only benefit I've found in it is when outnumbered, you get paid more for kills of the enemy and destruction of their crap.  Having to fly with ENY's in the high 20's just gets old when it last for a long time.  I love my 190A8 to go bomber hunting with and do ground attack, on a rare occasion I can win a dogfight, I'm told when I get my joystick dofighting will be much better than with the mouse.  The hurricane 1 turns well, but that engine is a killer....

As for the Arena Limits: why not just open it up so everyone could be in one arena together if we want too?  We do pay to play together, especially with our squaddies.  The Commercial makes mention of forming squads, but fails to mention that due to Arena Caps, you might be forced to fight in an Arena that's all but a pig roast in terms of action.  Have at least one Arena with a much higher cap than the 450 ive seen once as a capacity.  That's my .25 cents.  

[storch]

eny restrictions seldomly bothers me.  it certainly hasn't ruined the game for me.  I agree with this practice.

I think it should be extended to the point where a team with far too many players has no ordnance available anywhere thereby limiting their ability to roll bases.

eny limit the 110G and no bombs is a beautiful thing.

[Ghosth]

Consider joining Squad ops, it is IMO the best flying that AH has to offer.

No arena caps, no ENY limits, orders come out ahead of time so you have time to practice in the plane you'll be flying. One life event, so no pork & augers,  fewer HO's. Gang bang or horde, well that depends on how big your squad is and who you run into. It can happen, but it doesn't happen every time.

[Saxman]

I thought I saw someone suggest once that rather than have ENY lock out planes outright, it makes them perked instead.

One big problem I think with the current ENY setup is that I've only ever seen one country really get nailed by ENY. Even if two countries are within 10-20 players of each other, if the third is small enough that ENY comes into effect only one country gets slammed (happened to Rooks the other night. Rooks had 120, Bish had 100, Nits had 70-something. Rooks had an ENY of 16. Bish had an ENY of 1). So areas where the Nits were fighting the Rooks ENY was in theory doing its job. However the Bish the could gang-bang the Nits with late-war uber rides while the Rooks were unfairly penalized against the Bish even though the numbers weren't uneven enough to justify the ENY difference.

[Ghastly]

halcyon, is the reason that you didn't switch to the low numbered side:

1) Because some squadmates couldn't (timer)
2) Because you guys have a loyalty to one side over others
3) The numbers were so far off that it would disrupt squadnight to be on the low side.
4) Some other reason.

I'm simply asking - on the surface the simple solution "sounds like" switch sides - but simple solutions have a way of being problematic as the situation grows more complex.  

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Ghosth
Consider joining Squad ops, it is IMO the best flying that AH has to offer.

No arena caps, no ENY limits, orders come out ahead of time so you have time to practice in the plane you'll be flying. One life event, so no pork & augers,  fewer HO's. Gang bang or horde, well that depends on how big your squad is and who you run into. It can happen, but it doesn't happen every time.

What Ghosth said x10. Personally I find FSO and other events a million times more rewarding than MA play.  It's great bonding for squads as well.

Think about it.  Usually in the MA, even if your squad is all set up for a coordinated strike/whatever, odds are the other side isn't.  With events, there is a fixed objective, and you KNOW the other side is going to be just as organized (if not more) as your side.  Makes for MUCH better fighting if the CIC's are doing their jobs and making sure everything's as fair as possible.

Plus the event logs give a really neat picture of who did what during the event.

As a CO, you will be expected to handle some details for your flight/squad, such as interpreting orders and making sure everyone is on the same page (get used to saying "100% fuel, bombs and rockets" about fifty times).

It's great. Without the events, I doubt I'd still be playing AH.  A lot of times the level of stupidity in the MA drives me off in frustration, that's not why I play games.

[halcyon]

Originally posted by Bronk
Eny of 25 you say, wow that is rough.

Tell me, did it ever occur to you  to jump to the low numbers side?
Bet you and your whole squad could have.


Bronk

Yes it did occur.
Please read below.

Originally posted by Ghastly
halcyon, is the reason that you didn't switch to the low numbered side:

1) Because some squadmates couldn't (timer)
2) Because you guys have a loyalty to one side over others
3) The numbers were so far off that it would disrupt squadnight to be on the low side.
4) Some other reason.

I'm simply asking - on the surface the simple solution "sounds like" switch sides - but simple solutions have a way of being problematic as the situation grows more complex.  

We were flying knights, which had significantly fewer bases then the other two countries. (and were losing them at a higher rate then taking bases back)

Even so, two squadmates were already flying in the arena at the time, helping to gain bases. As soon as the rest of us logged on, we weren't going to switch sides and take back the bases we had just captured.
We do have somewhat of a loyalty to Knights, and we fly our missions for the thrill of tactical success, not kill/death ratio.

[Larry]

Originally posted by halcyon
Logged on tonight for squad night, and we see AvA is populated!
Arena message states, "be a gentlemen...do not HO, vulch, or gank."
First engagement a Hurri2C HO's my squaddie.
Second engagement we have four and they come in with 8 from 5k higher our alt.
Third engagement a P38 HO's another squaddie on takeoff.

Read the MOTD again please. Why do people think the AvA is some fairy land where no one does anything bad. Lately there has been an influx of MAers who bring they're MA play into the arena. The AvA vets hardly EVER vulch. (only time I do is we are fighting and you run to the ack and try to land) If you fly into a horde dont think that squadies are going to sit back and watch thier buddies get killed. HOing is something that a few dweebs do. I could name them but youll know them in the first minute of fighting them.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Larry
Read the MOTD again please. Why do people think the AvA is some fairy land where no one does anything bad. Lately there has been an influx of MAers who bring they're MA play into the arena. The AvA vets hardly EVER vulch. (only time I do is we are fighting and you run to the ack and try to land) If you fly into a horde dont think that squadies are going to sit back and watch thier buddies get killed. HOing is something that a few dweebs do. I could name them but youll know them in the first minute of fighting them.

Last night was funny, Larry because I could tell you were waiting for okllok to HO you, every time we passed nose to nose I could see you flinching, cause you thought I might be him.