Author Topic: U.S. Naval Planes (Read 5617 times)

B3YT · « **Reply #45 on:** July 18, 2007, 03:33:09 PM »

Spit IX will hold it with a FM-2. Just.

Krusty · « **Reply #46 on:** July 18, 2007, 03:53:12 PM »

Holy old threads, Batman!

1 month old, 2 weeks since last "bump from the grave"...

And I seriously hope HTC remodels the corsairs... Honestly, it shouldn't be out turning spits and p51s at 90mph when it would stall out and kill you well before that...

Movie · « **Reply #47 on:** July 18, 2007, 04:00:41 PM »

HoseNose · « **Reply #48 on:** July 18, 2007, 06:52:39 PM »

Widewing, and other USN pros, I'm wondering why the Hellcat climbs better than the F4U but does not accelerate better. (first off, I'd like to say I'd love the aircraft's skin revamped also... why is it even as it is right now anyway? HTC didnt feel like upgrading it from a patch?) Anyway, yes. The Hellcat's loaded weight is about 12,600 lbs and the F4U-1A's is about 14,000 lbs. Both are fitted with similar engine. The Hellcat, with the lack of winter injection's got 2,000 hp I think and the F4U-1A has 2,250 hp.

With a similar power loading and similar prop, they somehow don't climb the same. Is it because of the wing loadings allowing the less aerodynamic F6F to climb better?

HoseNose · « **Reply #49 on:** July 18, 2007, 06:55:48 PM »

Widewing, and other USN pros, I'm wondering why the Hellcat climbs better than the F4U but does not accelerate better. (first off, I'd like to say I'd love the aircraft's skin revamped also... why is it even as it is right now anyway? HTC didnt feel like upgrading it from a patch?) Anyway, yes. The Hellcat's loaded weight is about 12,600 lbs and the F4U-1A's is about 14,000 lbs. Both are fitted with similar engine. The Hellcat, with the lack of winter injection's got 2,000 hp I think and the F4U-1A has 2,250 hp.

With a similar power loading and similar prop, they somehow don't climb the same. Is it because of the wing loadings allowing the less aerodynamic F6F to climb better?

(Just a side note, but why don't the Hamilton Standard planes over rev once oil pressure is lost?)

Heheh. Zombie threads.

Krusty · « **Reply #50 on:** July 18, 2007, 08:11:12 PM »

The F6F isn't much less aerodynamic than the F4u. In the climb it's almost purely a matter of power vs weight. Think of it as an incline. Load a truck with 14000lbs and floor it uphill. Now load it with 12000lbs. You're going to get up the hill marginally faster, all other things being equal.

HoseNose · « **Reply #51 on:** July 19, 2007, 11:00:17 AM »

Ah yes. I just looked things up again. The Hellcat also has a water-injected R-2800. Alright. I think that means our Hellcat accelerates too poorly in-game since it SEEMS to pick up speed more slowly than the F4U, but that may just be me (i.e. 120 - 220 mph).

Then again, the P-51's are outclimbing my Corsair I think, or at least according to the info I've read up on various sites, yet the Mustang has a worse powerloading. 1,695 hp for 12,100 lbs. vs the hog's 2,250 hp for 14,000 lbs.

Movie · « **Reply #52 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:30:42 PM »

this sucks

Krusty · « **Reply #53 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:51:17 PM »

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Originally posted by HoseNose
Ah yes. I just looked things up again. The Hellcat also has a water-injected R-2800. Alright. I think that means our Hellcat accelerates too poorly in-game since it SEEMS to pick up speed more slowly than the F4U, but that may just be me (i.e. 120 - 220 mph).

Then again, the P-51's are outclimbing my Corsair I think, or at least according to the info I've read up on various sites, yet the Mustang has a worse powerloading. 1,695 hp for 12,100 lbs. vs the hog's 2,250 hp for 14,000 lbs.

That's the thing with ponies... Highly streamlined.

Click the DokGonzo link in my sig, choose the F4u1D, P51D, F6F, and throw in the P38L just for good measure.

Movie · « **Reply #54 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:06:27 PM »

dude 109F versus FM2 tough they both kinda turn the same

HoseNose · « **Reply #55 on:** July 19, 2007, 08:56:37 PM »

Thanks Krusty!

Movie.. say what..?

Movie · « **Reply #56 on:** July 20, 2007, 01:28:46 PM »

i was in fm2 in a turn fight with 109f omg he was winning until i gave some flaps it was a good fight btw

Saxman · « **Reply #57 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:01:40 PM »

FM-2 just doesn't have the horsepower to hold up in a sustained turning fight, but otherwise she's a sweet ride (she just needs some RATOs). My #2 choice in a fight after the various Hogs.

Although I still don't understand why the FM-2 has a lower ENY than the F4U-1.

Krusty · « **Reply #58 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:03:34 PM »

Without flaps the FM2 outturns the 109F easily. With flaps it will still out turn it. The 109F must have been using flaps before you did (the only way it would out turn you) or had a better merge point.

Anyways, if he had gone nose high you'd have stalled out and he'd have killed ya

Just because we're on this topic, http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=fm2&p2=109f4

1K3 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 20, 2007, 04:06:12 PM »

I discovered some interesting facts on US Navy planes.

(Please correct me if the following statements are incorrect)

1. FM2, a variant of F4F Wildcat is a late war plane (Nov '44). It came later than F6F and F4Us.

2. F4U was carrier-certified by US Navy in early 1944. F4U became fully operational on USN carriers in late 1944.