AvA rules of conduct

[Larry]

I ask the AvA staff to please never ever try it again. Last week had the most whines about people breaking the "rules". Most where first time squeaks that jumped into a furball and cried foul when all thier buddies were dead and all they saw where a sea of red. All posting this stuff on the MOTD does is start trouble. People come in thinking that you CAN'T HO or gang then whine in game and on the BBS when it happens.

   Take tonight for example I log on and allied (bish) are outnumbered nine to five, I swich and roll a wobbiecane. Get to about 7K and find a furball, I pick my target and go after him. He starts to run away, after a bit Im the only guy within 10k of him, but he still runs. After draging me for about 15-20miles he reaches his base where his buddies are rolling, so like the dweeb he is he turns and wants to fight now. While hes turning I try for a defletion shot and miss. I then go up and over come in straight down on him and put three into his canopy. First thing he says "Nice HO True". The only way any of those pass' were HOs is if he counts everything that isnt a dead six shot a HO.

I told his Ill post the film but here are pics showing the "HO".

First pic shows the "HO" from my view, the next shows it from his, then the last is the killshot, and his remark.

[Panzzer]

Actually I left them (the "rules of conduct") out of the Arena Message for this week's setup. So it shouldn't say anything about HO's, ganging or vulching in there anymore...

[TheBug]

I agree with Truekill, it was a good attempt by the staffers and the intent was there.  But in the end I think it just backfired and caused more bad than good.

But I also think we need to be careful about coming here and posting screenshots openly to the public.  I think it is better done with PMs and in a spirit goodwill.  As Dichodog has mentioned.

Not saying your post is negative or combative in any way TK, but posts like have a way to get people worked up.  Including people that are not even involved with the original "altercation".  It's all up to us and nothing good comes easy.  Well except maybe that slut Grits.  

[storch]

maybe I'll come back for a flight or two and kick your cartoon rumps like it seems you richly need, you whiney hens. sheesh.

[Larry]

Well bug he called it a HO I said it was'nt. So instead of going back and forth I told him Ill post it. Since I dont know his BBS name (he might not even have one) I used him as an example of what the past week has been.

[Shifty]

Just another example of people mistaking a high angle attack for a HO.  Looks like a good kill to me TK.

 Hurri IIc's are so leathel I think a lot of people scream HO without thinking. I'm tempted when they kill me form dead 6.

Storch, your the only one keeping yourself out of AVA. I don't understand your self inforced banishment, but I figure that's your business. The staff isn't keeping you out. Why not let go of whatever the burr is under your saddle and come back.

There is nothing wrong with the way people are flying, and fighting  in the AVA. The problem is the dead people complaining when they die.

[Jaekart]

I tend to agree with Larry (TK) on this one.  While I thought it a good thing when I saw it on the MOTD, I did note a lot more accusations from what I assume (possibly incorrectly) were new players in the AvA.  At least they were nicks I did not know or recognize.  Most were along the lines of "Hey, thought there wer'nt supposed to be HO's in here ? "

To me, posting a pic of a High Angle Shot is a good way to show the difference between a "true" Head On, versus a HA Shot.

Most people on the receiveing end of a HA shot, perceive it to be an HO, because they don't understand the difference between them.

I saw a really good example of this last night.  About 20 or so of us in a decent Furball between A2 and A24.  { SSmokin, you had the right answer, so I'm using you only as an positive example. }  Most of the fights were fairly even.  During one engagement a Axis player ( don't really remember the name) popped off with the usual, "Hey, thought HO's were not allowed in here".  SSmokin replied with, " HO's Can Only Happen on the initial merge." The Axis player seemed to think about it before replying, then came back with "Oh, ok, didn't think of it that way."

Players need to know what an action is, before they should be asked not to do it.

Does the AvA community think a Sticky Post, showing or explaining what a HO or a Vultch is, to be a good idea ??  I realize that only those that view the AvA Forum will see it, yet we have been getting quite a few decent posts from players that have recently begun playing in the AvA and liking it.  Maybe it will be a waste of time, maybe not.  Perhaps a few screenshots showing the difference between a pure HO vs a High Angle Snapshot will be worthwhile.  Heck, I'll even volunteer to be the Target, if somebody with decent Filming Skills will take the pics and post em.

Perhaps all of this could be included under a Sticky Post labeled " ACM you may encounter in the AvA "  or something along that line of thought.  And it does not need to be limited to the things we don't want to see done.  It could explain or show different tactics, Like the "Rope a Dope", "High Yo-Yo", etc.  Just about every regular in the AvA has developed a bag of tricks to use.  I'm not proposing that Anybody give away their special, gotta use this to keep from dyin secret moves, just the things that all of us may like to learn, in order for the fights to become better.

So far as I know, ALL OF US, new and old players alike, within the AvA want good, hard fights.

Just another 2 cent idea from someone who wants the AvA to be a decent Arena again.

[Eagler]

we all know TK can't get a kill unless he HO's or picks

[Slash27]

The spirit of the thing is not how its playing out. What the MOTD says now is what we should have gone with from the start.






I blame Duke.

[soda72]

All posting this stuff on the MOTD does is start trouble

Here's the MOTD:



Unless the MOTD was recently changed from what I've shown above, there is only one small sentence(you actually had to scroll  to see it) that informs players to be Civil.  I doubt this small sentence cuased any additional problems in the AvA.  The arena unpleasentness yesterday came not from the 'code of conduct' but rather from the 'unwritten rules' of the AvA which have always been in place since I've been a member of the community.  This always happens in the AvA from time to time,  the severity of it only depends on who's in the arena at the time.

[Larry]

Soda I was talking about last weeks MOTD. I cant remember it word for word but it said something like,
"Play like gentlemen please avoid HOs, gangs(3v1) and fild vulching"

Alot of the new guys in the AvA must have thought it said DON'T HO, gang, vulch because there was alot of "Hey didnt you read the rules" comeing from the guys who've never set foot in there.

Problem is that some people go into the MAs and and advertise whats happening in the AvA this week, and 90% of the people who come in are squeaks. I heard a few of them on VOX last week one I found funny said "don't kill the spit Im on him" when I looked around to see which spit he was talking about I saw he was about 5-6k away from him and already had someone on him. If we want more MA players to join the AvA community we should talk squad of people that are respectable. Although its not in the MOTD this week I suspect that we will hear it this week by "but thats what it said last week" people.





Eagler, shhh we don't want everyone to know that.

[Panzzer]

I'm sweeping with a broad brush in here, but I feel that some people take this game too seriously. If I get shot down, no matter the angle the killing shot came from, I can always get a new plane for the same monthly fee, it doesn't cost me any extra to get a new plane...

[TheBug]

You need to go to bed Panzzer, you're talking crazy talk.

[soda72]

Originally posted by Larry
Soda I was talking about last weeks MOTD. I cant remember it word for word but it said something like,
"Play like gentlemen please avoid HOs, gangs(3v1) and fild vulching"
 

What was posted last week in the MOTD was the 'unwritten rules' not the 'code of conduct'.   They are very separate from each other.   The basic idea behind the 'code of conduct' is to state to players to 'shut up, suck it up, and fly'.  If ya can't you'll be muted or ejected.   It has nothing to do with telling players how to fly.   Technically your post is an argument for the 'code of conduct'.  

The 'unwritten rules' is the don't HO, vulch, gang, or jump in on a 1v1.   These 'unwritten rules' has caused a lot of confunsion and problems for the AvA.  The problems you had with the 'new players' is a good example of why they are a problem.  Everyone interprets them differently, and there is no way for them to be enforced...

[Dichotomy]

one way of enforcing them is if you see a guy on your side doing it pm him (or her) and tell them that's it's not considered appropriate.  If they continue to do it or cop an attitude then hang them out to dry.  Don't pass a check 6, don't clear him, and generally leave them to the sea of red.  But, again, that's just the way I'd do it.