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Offline FBBone

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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2007, 12:16:20 PM »
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I've cut down on needless driving, and have replaced all the Light Bulbs in the house with the flourecent bulb Lights and that has seem to lowered the Power Bill some,but i guess we all have to start with baby steps before we all can learn to walk :)


What about all that toxic mercury you're going to be sending to the landfill when those compact fluorescents burn out?

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2007, 12:18:06 PM »
We have had those lightbulbs in the house for years.

The house is fixed up so temps are lower at night than during the day. Its also well insulated.

None of us are fans of driving so we have never done much of that.

Both me and the missus works from home so no need to commute.

Our hobby is sailing and that doesnt use much power apart from what it took to build the damn thing ofcourse. The motorboat uses abit but overall we use less gas than most families.

We were planning on getting one of those thingies that goes on the roof and heats water and whatnot but we are not sure about that or getting one of those systems that takes water from the ocean in the winter. The latter prolly works best as it is effective in the winter and the roof thingy works best when its sunny and warmer outside.

All in all, we have very low carbon footprint as its called.

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2007, 12:44:25 PM »
so.. even nelson does not want to sacrafice anything.   why even have a power boat?  why have a house bigger than say a studio apartment if you have no children?    

I also have a 1970's bmw motorcycle that gets 50 mpg and did not cost energy to make past 1970.

I am doing more it appears than the hand wringers.

Oh.. I have a rechargeable electric lawn mower (the gas is so bad I hate messing with gas powered ones)...    I should be chastising all you hand wringers for not coming up to my standards...  

My Lincloln gets 23 mpg or better and I don't fly anymore.

my home is a duplex that I built 25 years ago and I rent out the other side.   I am not wasting resources.   I have installed fans...  

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2007, 12:51:40 PM »
lol lazs.. go fish somewere else. Every time i buy a new bulb and all the money extra i spend on expencive stuff to save power i do. Cheap shots at nothing is all you ever have lazs :rofl

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2007, 12:56:04 PM »
nelson... point is... I probly do more than you do.

point is... the left is only willing to make others suffer... what they do is too important to restrict.    I am not interested in boats.

There is no need for boats and the energy to go to the water and use em and make em and all the rest.    Yet... I don't tell you that you can't own and use the useless things.

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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2007, 01:14:30 PM »
I'm tired of global warming, can I go back to worrying about bird flu for awhile?
or SARS?(the movies were very exciting tho! thank you)


here is a fun thought-  warmer planet = less clothing!(Laz please feel free to not participate in the "less clothing " movement thank you)

less clothing =less clothing manufacture!

less manufacture = less greenhouse gases!

wow the effect we have on global warming virtually negates itself!

its like strapping buttered toast(that always lands butter side down)  to a cat that always lands on its feet... amazing

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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2007, 01:19:16 PM »
We (the human race) are going to burn every last bit of carbon-based fuel available to us. As soon as we all accept that, relax and enjoy the problem the better.

90mpg cars are just prolonging the problem and will allow us to make congestion even worse.

I say go out and enjoy your cheap fuel, because if you don't, someone in China will.

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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2007, 02:09:34 PM »
Mandate the inclusion of passive heating and cooling technologies into new housing construction.

Place a cap on the cubic volume of a new home constructed for use by families of less than four people.  (Can't wait for the response to this one...but do we really need 4,000 square foot homes with ten to twelve foot ceilings.)

Failing the passage of such a cap, mandate that those who exceed the proposed cap must purchase enough solar panels to provide at least 50% of the home's energy requirements, or enough to hide such grotesque mansions from public view.

Forget mandated mpg figures for new cars.  Instead, develop short and long-term goals for converting the nation's automotive fleet to the use of biodiesel or other environmentally friendly fuels.

Encourage the nation's drivers that live within five miles of their jobs to ride bicycles to work.

Establish a national goal of total conversion of power plants from coal and oil to nuclear and hydroelectric sources.

Launch a world-wide campaign to cut the world's human population by 75% within the next century, for excess population is the root of all environmental problems.  (Yeah, right.)

Have airliners crossing the oceans do so in flights of four, in box formation, tethered together by a giant surgical mask to help filter pollutants out of the atmosphere.

Convince the Chinese government that they must give up the use of fossil fuels.  

Live in grass huts whenever possible to prevent the denuding of our forests which help filter the atmosphere.

Stop the building of "get-away homes."  Any true American who goes on vacation should be willing to live in a tent.

Brush and floss daily.  That means your dog as well.

Force all new urban construction to move underground.  Cities are a blight on the landscape and produce the lion's share of the world's pollution.   All transportation in cities would be mass transit.


Oops.   Did I go over the top?   I can never tell.

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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2007, 02:38:28 PM »
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nelson... point is... I probly do more than you do.

point is... the left is only willing to make others suffer... what they do is too important to restrict.    I am not interested in boats.

There is no need for boats and the energy to go to the water and use em and make em and all the rest.    Yet... I don't tell you that you can't own and use the useless things.

lazs


Have i told you what to do?

Point is, that me and alot of others already have done alot before it was even an issue for some. And for some its still not an issue. There is no need for you to go play with guns or hotrods or whatever either and they are totally pointless activities. I am leftist if you have to put me in this or that category (atleast by american standards) and i am doing my bit and im not im telling others what do do.

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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2007, 03:53:15 PM »
Use all the oil as fast as we can! , they will think up somethin better/ more eco-friendly to use, *******s (rag-challenged people) will be out of business, and global warming will be over (assuming of course, we ARE causing it, which is still disputable)
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2007, 04:16:47 PM »
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fulmar...yes.. slowing down will save fuel.  it is your decision..  Do you think the govenment should just drop the speed limit to say.... 55?   how bout 25?
 


On the average you save 15% on fuel econonmy driving 55mph compared to 65mph.  The % varies between make and model.  The cruising speed for most vehichles is designed to be around 55mph.  Currently you looking at an EPA rating sticker on a car it will say 35 highway.  Now this is calculated at 55mph, not 65mph.  Currently the EPA is recalculating their formulas and you'll see new stickers in the next year or two that are caclulating mpg at higher speeds (i.e. freeway compared to highway) and to factor in current driver habits.  The original formulas were drafted some 20 years ago.

In my car, if I drive 55mph, I can get upwards of 36mpg or so.  If I drive 65 around 30mpg and about 28mpg at 75mph.
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2007, 06:33:28 PM »
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Conservation is done to benefit ones self. The "save the planet" residual feel-good by-product is just that, a feel good measure to make one feel good about themselves.


Yes, "save the planet" means "keep it the way I want it", or at best "keep it the way all humans should want it".  The term "save the planet" is clearly a meaningless phrase unless you ask "for who?"  Objectively, everything we do to "destroy the planet" is in fact perfectly natural.  If we were to nuke the planet and kill everyone, I doubt the universe would notice.  I guess it doesn't matter anyway, since all of the worthy humans would be in heaven. :D

As far as sacrifices, we've already made mandated sacrifices.  We put Cats and EGRs on cars so that we don't have to swim through a hydrocarbon soup when we're in LA.  Nothing holy in that, we just thought it would be nice, as a society, to breath somewhat fresh air.  And the government stepped in to solve that little prisoner's dilemma.  What do you want lazs2, anarchy?  Or are you a libertarian?

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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2007, 06:34:26 PM »
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I have not seen any concrete evidence that says Man is soley responsible for global warming. I believe based upon typical earth cycles that Mother earth takes a big crap every now and then. Personally I am very skeptical about any so called "Expert" and his or her opinion.


Skepticism, eh?  Do you apply that laudable critical thinking skill to your Pastor too?  ;)

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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2007, 06:38:39 PM »
Grow trees.
Grow nitro-binding plants in the wastelands.
Use the money you saved by buying those bulbs and thereby lowering your bills for the project :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2007, 06:47:47 PM »
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Grow trees.
Grow nitro-binding plants in the wastelands.
Use the money you saved by buying those bulbs and thereby lowering your bills for the project :D

Why do you want to CONTRIBUTE to global warming? :O

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Before compact fluorescent light bulbs and ethanol, the first line of defense against global warming was planting trees.
Forests, after all, cool the atmosphere by drinking in carbon dioxide from the air. A new study, however, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences reports that forests' other climatic effects can cancel out their carbon cleaning advantage in some parts of the world. Using a three-dimensional climate model, the research team mimicked full global deforestation and also studied the effects of clear-cutting in different regions of latitude, such as the tropics and boreal zones. Apparently, these natural carbon sinks only do their job effectively in tropical regions; in other areas, they have either no impact or actually contribute to warming the planet. In fact, according to this model, by the year 2100, if all the forests were cut and left to rot, the annual global mean temperature would decrease by more than 0.5 degree Fahrenheit.
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