Author Topic: What to do about man made global warming.. (Read 1537 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #45 on:** June 17, 2007, 09:40:34 AM »

well... shuckins is the only one getting into the spirit of the thing.. he is willing to inflict massive suffering on others.

55mph? didn't we have that once? short memories. fulmar... do you drive 55 mph on the freeway? I bet you cause a lot of accidents. Do you think the government should be bigger and make new laws mandating 55 mph and hire more police to enforce it?

curval... I don't think curval want to show us his house... not shukins at least...

nelson... he changed his bulbs so he can continue to rant about man made global warming.

socialism caused catalytic converters? the government restrictions caused them to be invented? someone doesn't know much about the automotive field.. they were around and invented in the 60's but there was no practical way to make em. Same for smog laws.. the first smog laws caused more smog... computers made smog devices work. small cheap computers to work electronic fuel injection... until that happened... all the regulation in the world only made things worse.

Solar panels are getting better... when they reach $2,000 for a system that you can buy at home depot and install yourself or have them do it and it will cut your $100 electric bill by 75%... everyone will have one. just like small computers.

lazs

bj229r · « **Reply #46 on:** June 17, 2007, 09:43:30 AM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Well, if we haven't found a concrete solution to the problem is it possible we haven't ironed out a concrete source?

*Runs away*

HERETIC!

Gumbeau · « **Reply #47 on:** June 17, 2007, 09:54:13 AM »

I'd like to thank everyone for doing all of this.

Now I can run my pool pump an extra couple hours of day to counteract you all and keep the chlorine level extra high for summer fun.

bj229r · « **Reply #48 on:** June 17, 2007, 09:58:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Gumbeau
I'd like to thank everyone for doing all of this.

Now I can run my pool pump an extra couple hours of day to counteract you all and keep the chlorine level extra high for summer fun.

Sorry, but I neglected to mention that I ran my wood stove Friday night, (was like 50 outside here in sw VA) so THAT counteracts your pump...perhaps you could buy some carbon credits from a tree-hugger:D

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:07:49 AM »

I am fine with that. What I do is for me to save money on things that I don't care about or.. that work just as well or better if they save energy and money.

I drive the aformentioned BMW at 50 mpg.. it does 12 sec quarter miles... it is fun.

I drive a lincoln to get girlfriend and grand daughter around... it gets 23 mph... plenty good for me. if it was exactly the same and got 30 that would be good too.

I drive an Healey with a small block and a el camino with a big block 6 speed.. both get between 5-14 mpg depending.. and worth every penny I spend on gas in one. A roller coaster wastes energy too I bet.

My digital camera is 4 years old with the same rechargable batteries it came with... I don't own an ipod or an xbox or most of the gee wiz electronics people buy and throw away in a year... my cell phones I pay for (3) average about 3 years old and have the original batteries... I have probly bought 10 throw away batteries in the last year for remotes and such.

I have no desire to tell car manufactures what to make. I don't buy new cars anyway... don't like em. I have no desire to tell even algore to stop wasting energy like a madman. nelson can play on his boats and throw electronics away all he desires so far as I am concerned... angus can make his living off polluting fishing boats if he so desires... none of my business.

you all have hobbies and things you like to do that waste energy... that is up to you... you pay for it.

I have no problem with that. I do have a problem when you wasters start pointing fingers at others as being the problem and using the whole phony (or at the very least...exaggerated) man made global warming scam to try to restrict things others do or to get your pet projects or desires funded on the backs of others.

Its pretty disgusting... very lefty... And that is who is behind the whole thing isn't it? the left.

lazs

Gumbeau · « **Reply #50 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:12:36 AM »

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Originally posted by bj229r
Sorry, but I neglected to mention that I ran my wood stove Friday night, (was like 50 outside here in sw VA) so THAT counteracts your pump...perhaps you could buy some carbon credits from a tree-hugger:D

I've got news for you, a wood stove is like five pool pumps.

bj229r · « **Reply #51 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:18:49 AM »

Well dang, now FIVE people have to either drain their pools or get REALLY big spoons to stir the water, and nets to get the leaves and buggies out. Now I'm going to ride my inefficient, oil-leaking, gas guzzling 1962 Panhead for a few hours.

AKIron · « **Reply #52 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:21:33 AM »

I dunno, isn't capturing more of the sun's energy with our greenhouse gases in effect energy conservation? Isn't reflecting it all back out into space rather wasteful? I think we just need to think about how we can make the best use of all this extra free energy we're enjoying.

lazs2 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:35:20 AM »

Its all so confusing... we really do need the left to tell us what to do.. they went to school after all and know all about marx. They have the best comedians too.

although... turning on the TV is kinda wasteful.. as is the computer we are all on.

lazs

phookat · « **Reply #54 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:46:59 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
socialism caused catalytic converters? the government restrictions caused them to be invented? someone doesn't know much about the automotive field.. they were around and invented in the 60's but there was no practical way to make em. Same for smog laws.. the first smog laws caused more smog... computers made smog devices work. small cheap computers to work electronic fuel injection... until that happened... all the regulation in the world only made things worse.

Would your hot rod be faster and cheaper without smog controls? Especially if there was no economy of scale associated with them? Would you stick a cat on the pipe if you didn't have to? Sometimes the invention alone doesn't really help, does it. If everyone drove without today's smog devices, would we have a smog problem in the cities? Do you think the smog problem would have solved itself? The fuel efficiency issue is self-correcting from a personal maximum-utility perspective, but the pollution issue isn't.

Just because early engineering attempts sometimes don't work and just because government regulation is not universally and ideally fair and beneficial and prophetic, doesn't mean that prisoners dilemmas don't exist...or that we should live in anarchy. Having a government does not automatically equate to socialism.

Gumbeau · « **Reply #55 on:** June 17, 2007, 11:00:42 AM »

But a government that tries to make everyone equally miserable IS socialist.

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** June 17, 2007, 11:01:52 AM »

pho.. you don't know anything about cars do you?

new cars are pushing 600hp off the showroom floor... and they are clean. cleaner than mandated in most cases... why is that? the government? LOL... it is progress.

my hot rods are more nostalgic than practical... they are not injected and they could make more hp... in some ranges, and when in tune, they are very clean.

They are fun and not a problem in the scheme of things... only a fraction of a percent of the people have the desire or ability to build em and pay for the fuel and headache and... these hot rods travel very few miles taken as a whole.

To do something like ban them is silly crap... feel good/do nothing stuff. algore burns more energy in a day than 20 families with hot rods.

And there is the point.. all you lefties seem willing to restrict others...

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE US DO?

WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO?

Are you all willing to have a 100% tax added on fuel (making everything we buy more expensive) and send that money to algore to solve the problem?

are you willing to do that?

or... it the extent of your "solution" to screw in some lightbulbs and rail against everyone elses use of energy (everyone except saint algore and the scientists of course)?

Maybe we could all wear hairshirts and self flagulate?

I am not hearing anything that even remotely "solves the problem" if the problem is defined as man made use of energy.

Hell... I am doing more about it than most of the handwringers and I don't even think it exists (man made global warming).

what a bunch of ineffectual little wussies.

lazs

Dadano · « **Reply #57 on:** June 17, 2007, 11:19:20 AM »

Lazs,
I think you should do everything within your power to preach against the idea of man made global warming and the rise of the new world order. Accepting such ideals is accepting slavery, socialism and the scientific rationale.

AKIron · « **Reply #58 on:** June 17, 2007, 11:24:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Dadano
Lazs,
I think you should do everything within your power to preach against the idea of man made global warming and the rise of the new world order. Accepting such ideals is accepting slavery, socialism and the scientific rationale.

Two of three isn't too bad but I don't think global warming alarmism qualifies as "scientific rationale". More like scientificish speculation.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #59 on:** June 17, 2007, 11:54:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
Mandate the inclusion of passive heating and cooling technologies into new housing construction.

Place a cap on the cubic volume of a new home constructed for use by families of less than four people. (Can't wait for the response to this one...but do we really need 4,000 square foot homes with ten to twelve foot ceilings.)

Failing the passage of such a cap, mandate that those who exceed the proposed cap must purchase enough solar panels to provide at least 50% of the home's energy requirements, or enough to hide such grotesque mansions from public view.

Forget mandated mpg figures for new cars. Instead, develop short and long-term goals for converting the nation's automotive fleet to the use of biodiesel or other environmentally friendly fuels.

Encourage the nation's drivers that live within five miles of their jobs to ride bicycles to work.

Establish a national goal of total conversion of power plants from coal and oil to nuclear and hydroelectric sources.

Launch a world-wide campaign to cut the world's human population by 75% within the next century, for excess population is the root of all environmental problems. (Yeah, right.)

Have airliners crossing the oceans do so in flights of four, in box formation, tethered together by a giant surgical mask to help filter pollutants out of the atmosphere.

Convince the Chinese government that they must give up the use of fossil fuels.

Live in grass huts whenever possible to prevent the denuding of our forests which help filter the atmosphere.

Stop the building of "get-away homes." Any true American who goes on vacation should be willing to live in a tent.

Brush and floss daily. That means your dog as well.

Force all new urban construction to move underground. Cities are a blight on the landscape and produce the lion's share of the world's pollution. All transportation in cities would be mass transit.

Oops. Did I go over the top? I can never tell.

Regards, Shuckins

Why not just say it.

Clone and re-elect Stalin as President of the United States.