Tax Evaders Challenge Feds

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
It needs to be via your congress persons and senators.  Lobbying. Any other way is suicidal and confrontational which always ends in tragedy.

 

Only if the soldiers become willing to start shooting the general populace

I think at some point its going to happen.
Its going ot start small.
Maybe even with somethign like this.
But then its going to rapidly escalate as the people become more and more enraged

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
The way I understand it, the forefathers set it up so that we the people will not be double, triple taxed (based on what England was doing to the colonists at the time) however we are constantly double, tripled, quadruple taxed all the time. Can anyone verify the first sentence?

Just read the constitution, and saw nothing about it in there.  That includes all the amendments.  




Dred, I disagree.  You will be surprised by how quickly it will flash over, given the proper catalyst.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by lazs2
I would reduce the govenment by about 90% to start and have the constitution and bill of rights be the guide.

that's where ya gotta start, spending. can't keep passing 2.7 trillion dollar budgets if ya wanna lower taxes.  

We have no need of taxes that go into a general fund.

we have even less need of an income tax that barely covers the interest on the national debt.  our taxes are spent before we even file.

Ron Paul knows what to do.

[lazs2]

a bloody revolution would be a terrible thing that would get no good results in our lifetime.   nation wide protest and the change it would cause would be far more acceptable.

lazs

[Maverick]

I'm sorry but this bit in the article pretty much showed them to be total nutjobs. No matter what they think as far as the validity of the govt. to levy taxes is concerned they lost all credibility with this bit of paranoia.

Quote-"Brown also insisted that he could not receive a fair trial in a federal court because "the court system falls under freemasonry."

"There [are] no longer any lawful courts. The Freemasons have taken over our nation. … [Freemasons want] to take over our nation and all nations on the planet," Brown said. "end quote

   

[FiLtH]

Thats just down the rud a piece.

    To bad our state doesnt have a motto or something fitting.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

So long as we have people trying to FORCE an armed confrontation with the government, for the most part they'll be considered nut cases by the majority, and there'll be little outcry over the results of armed confrontations.

Even many of the most hard core anti tax people admit that tax laws are laws, whether they are fair and just, or not. There is nothing in the Constitution the prevents the government from levying taxes. Even federal income taxes.

We have reached the point where the one fundamental and possibly fatal flaw in our system has become the biggest threat. Whenever the citizens discover they can vote themselves entitlements without paying for them, the system that allows citizens to do so is almost surely doomed. The citizens have discovered that. They elect those who will seek the entitlements for them, and those they elect will do ANYTHING to remain in office.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Maverick
I'm sorry but this bit in the article pretty much showed them to be total nutjobs. No matter what they think as far as the validity of the govt. to levy taxes is concerned they lost all credibility with this bit of paranoia.

Quote-"Brown also insisted that he could not receive a fair trial in a federal court because "the court system falls under freemasonry."

"There [are] no longer any lawful courts. The Freemasons have taken over our nation. … [Freemasons want] to take over our nation and all nations on the planet," Brown said. "end quote

   

So long as those are the sort of people who "lead"  the revolt against high taxes and big government, the movement is doomed, completely and utterly doomed.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by lazs2
a bloody revolution would be a terrible thing that would get no good results in our lifetime.   nation wide protest and the change it would cause would be far more acceptable.

lazs

I agree with that. Armed revolt will almost certainly end in disaster. Even if the military stands down, and there is very little bloodshed.

[john9001]

after fighting a war with england over taxes, the first thing the new govt of the US did was put a tax on whiskey to pay for the war. Which started a tax revolt that pres Washington put down with the US military.

go figure.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I'm for very low taxes, and very little government. But the Browns do not represent me.

I'm for minimal, if any gun control. But Randy Weaver does not represent me.

I'm for religious freedom. But David Koresh and the Branch Davidians did not represent me.

We will NEVER make ANY progress, so long as people glorify the acts of fools and idiots who decide they are above the law rather than working to change the law.

[Maverick]

Well said Virgil

[ChickenHawk]

I have some relatives that got into this whole "income tax is illegal" movement and ran an e-mail list for it in the early 90's.  It consumed their lives and they vowed to never let the government get the better of them.  They had a nice home and land in a nice country setting, cars, good jobs, the American dream.  In the end they lost everything and were lucky to walk away with their freedom.

The feds might not storm the compound like ruby ridge or Waco, but they are no less determined to get this couple and in the end they will, one way or another.

"In addition to Weaver's son, one federal agent was killed in that incident."

I guess the death of Vicki Weaver wasn’t worth mentioning in the article.

[Goth]

Originally posted by john9001
after fighting a war with england over taxes, the first thing the new govt of the US did was put a tax on whiskey to pay for the war. Which started a tax revolt that pres Washington put down with the US military.

go figure.

Do you understand that the Revolutionary War came about as a result of taxation without representation, not taxation in general. There's a difference between a king arbitrarily deciding that his subjects will pay whatever he deems necessary and your congress representing (supposedly) your best interests.

[Shamus]

Taxes are the lifeblood of government, threaten that and the government will do anything up to and including extermination to defeat the threat.

shamus