Author Topic: Kills vrs assists (Read 1371 times)

Flatbar · « **Reply #30 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:04:59 PM »

IMO, there isn't anything wrong with strafing GV's in a mg armed plane. The damage to the vehicle is accumilative and those 50cals do damage the gv but it may not be obvious.

IIRC, a single .50cal amounts to 1 1/2 pound of ord if it hits a critical area. I've tracked tanks using just the 50's on a Hellcat and even taken out engines on Tigers with the same. Ostys can be disabled easily with .50's if you attack at the proper angle and are a good shot.

So, IMO, whining about the GV damage model, the most detailed damage model in AH, is just sour grapes. Those who are fighting for personal glory in a virtual world such as AH really need to check their life priorities, this is a game ment to entertain, bragging rights should be reserved for real life situations, IMO.

crockett · « **Reply #31 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:05:10 PM »

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It's not like you'll never get another chance at a kill.

No but when you fly some of the planes with no cannons or not a lot of canons. It does get old landing 0 kills and getting 5 or 6 assists. Specially when you were the guy whom took most of the planes out of the air.

It's the main reason I rarely fly the Ki-84 anymore, even though it's one of my favorite planes to fly. I'm not saying I can't shoot guys down in it, but getting assist after assist gets old as hell.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #32 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:23:14 PM »

I think whoever causes critical damage (i.e. making a plane un-flyable or flaming it or placing the final kill shot on a GV) should be awarded the kill. Anything else before or after would still be an assist.

Lost elevators, ailerons, pilot wounds or half a wing missing would not be critical damage as the plane is still flyable. Similarily tracking a GV, taking out the pintle gun or engine or smoking the turret wouldn't be dritical damage to a GV.

VERTEX · « **Reply #33 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:43:00 PM »

Guys who chase down a burning or spiraling non-flyable wreck should get sucked into a one way vortex to hell when a single round of theirs hit said wreck.

Oh, and for good measure, their balls should fall off too.

Nilsen · « **Reply #34 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:52:42 PM »

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IMO, there isn't anything wrong with strafing GV's in a mg armed plane. The damage to the vehicle is accumilative and those 50cals do damage the gv but it may not be obvious.

Thats just silly. I dont care how many 50 cals round you fire at the turret or armored part of a tiger or whattnot.. it wont "eventually" penetrate it. Not with any _realistic_ ammount of ammo anyway.

Dace · « **Reply #35 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:54:06 PM »

Everyone listen to SlapShot,....that is excatly how it works, and for good reason.

Nilsen · « **Reply #36 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:56:59 PM »

You should know by now that noone ever listens to slapshot

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #37 on:** June 21, 2007, 05:01:23 PM »

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In real life, a pilot would not dare shoot at a plane that another pilot was working over

Unfortunately, real life mirrors the MA or I should say the MA mirrors real life.

There is an account from a P-38 pilot during the Hollandia air campaign in which he is describing an encounter with an Oscar. As the pilot starts to saddle up on the Oscar and line up his piper on the target, an unpainted P-38 suddenly appeared off the 1st P-38s wing. Just as the 1st P-38 pilots fingers were starting to tighten on the trigger, the unpainted P-38 let loose with its guns and hit the Oscar with a solid 9 second burst of 20mm and .50 cals, literally making the Oscar disintegrate. The unpainted P-38's pilot then gave a casual salute to the 1st P-38 pilot and broke off and flew away hunting for other kills. The 1st P-38 pilot got on the radio demanding to know who the bastard was that stole his kill. When he landed he found out that the unpainted P-38 was flown by Richard Bong and the kill he stole was his 25th kill.

Then there is the stories of McGuire over the Philippines but you get the point.

ack-ack

Scherf · « **Reply #38 on:** June 21, 2007, 05:18:42 PM »

Same story is told by a Canadian Mosquito pilot - pulls away leaving enemy crew bailing out of their aircraft. Another Mossie races in and shoots up the target until it disintegrates 100 feet above the sea.

Toad · « **Reply #39 on:** June 21, 2007, 08:38:47 PM »

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Originally posted by crockett
No but when you fly some of the planes with no cannons or not a lot of canons. It does get old landing 0 kills and getting 5 or 6 assists. Specially when you were the guy whom took most of the planes out of the air.

So I guess you're saying you need your name in lights in the buffer in order to feel that you are having fun?

Squire · « **Reply #40 on:** June 21, 2007, 09:39:48 PM »

The ones that worry about it are the same guys doing 600mph powerdives out of the blue from 20k to a base to try to strafe some guy taking off.

If your that lame, practice more, the kills will come.

WaRLoCkL · « **Reply #41 on:** June 22, 2007, 05:25:14 AM »

I stand at 482 KILLS 101 ASSISTS as of this tour all in a corsair with 50 calls. I would agree with the hits over the total damage due to the fact I rarly ever get assists when I pepper a target.

I think it varies a little, I have givin PWs with 1 or 2 hits then have someone kill them with a cannon and I still get the kill. I think it varies to where the damage is dealt also. I almost always know when im going to get a kill over an assist. and vice versa. has anyone considerd maybe it goes by time spent actaully landing rounds? say for instance i dive on a target and hit him with rounds for a total of 2/10th of a second, but then a guy comes threw puts 2 20 mills in him that takes 1/10 of a second and drops a wing? U really wont know how its mesured unless Hightech answers this thread.

Scca · « **Reply #42 on:** June 22, 2007, 07:38:03 AM »

Something else to consider...

Someone does lots of damage to a plane (smoking, leaking maybe flames) and gets killed. You put a few 303's in him because no one else is around, he goes down, you get the kill.

The major damage do'er to that plane was in the tower when the plane went down, so he couldn't get the kill. You did some damage (the final blow) and you get the kill.

No matter how slight the damage, if you get one ping and they auger, you get the kill if no one else hit him..

Just a thought...

SlapShot · « **Reply #43 on:** June 22, 2007, 07:46:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Unfortunately, real life mirrors the MA or I should say the MA mirrors real life.

There is an account from a P-38 pilot during the Hollandia air campaign in which he is describing an encounter with an Oscar. As the pilot starts to saddle up on the Oscar and line up his piper on the target, an unpainted P-38 suddenly appeared off the 1st P-38s wing. Just as the 1st P-38 pilots fingers were starting to tighten on the trigger, the unpainted P-38 let loose with its guns and hit the Oscar with a solid 9 second burst of 20mm and .50 cals, literally making the Oscar disintegrate. The unpainted P-38's pilot then gave a casual salute to the 1st P-38 pilot and broke off and flew away hunting for other kills. The 1st P-38 pilot got on the radio demanding to know who the bastard was that stole his kill. When he landed he found out that the unpainted P-38 was flown by Richard Bong and the kill he stole was his 25th kill.

Then there is the stories of McGuire over the Philippines but you get the point.

ack-ack

Interesting ... but there is always an exception for anything ... but I am sure that it was not a rampant as we have in the pixelated skys of AH.

Toad · « **Reply #44 on:** June 22, 2007, 07:48:03 AM »

This thread is hilarious!

Will some of you guys that know exactly how it works please call HiTech and tell him how he designed the system? Thanks!

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The system now awards the kill to the person who does the most damage, not how many pings. There is damage done even if the plane is still flying. If you got an assist, it meens that some one else did more damage to the plane than you did, you just happen to put in the last bullet.

HiTech

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