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« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2007, 04:49:38 PM »
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FYI... I did find stuff about an exercise in Alaska, where a Gripen squadron came over and ACM'd an F22 squadron to a kill ratio of 20:1... but I can't confirm it anywhere....There was a link to a defense newsletter, but the link came up down.


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Seen the same report... It was the F-22 that had the 20:1 kill ratio.


According to the Swedish Air Force not a single Gripen was ”lost” to enemy ”fire” from either surface or air threats during last year’s Red Flag exercise ”Coop Thunder” in Alaska. That is the only time Gripens have participated in NATO exercises so far. They also achieved a 99% readiness rating with only one sortie aborting the mission out of 221 sorties (the plane’s LITENING pod failed). They also demonstrated the Gripen’s amazing 10 minute turn around with engines running on the ground while being refueled and rearmed.

US Air Force TV did a short article on the Swedes before the exercise:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7872900982252943411

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« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2007, 04:55:20 PM »
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shot of an f22 I took today in RI!



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« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2007, 05:47:14 PM »
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I remeber flying in a Red Flag a couple of years ago (when the F-22 was in OT&E), they sent out 1 F-22 vs 4 F-15C's with Weapon School IP's in the Eagles and a relatively "new" F-22 pilot in the Raptor.  The 15's all died within minutes and the only time they ever saw the 22 was when he blew by them on the way home.  They never once saw him on radar or visually, yet he killed them all without ever seeing them.  The Grippen may be more maneuverable, but the 22 and then 35 have the HUGE leap in Sensor technology and data link capability.


The problem is that the gripen, and other new gen fighters coming out of europe are looking towards features like off-bore-sight-IR targeting, which is potentially the F-22's weakness.

I was watching some very interesting stuff about the 'fight mafia' guys behind the design of the F-15 and F-16, and they had some very different opinions of the F-22.

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« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2007, 05:49:43 PM »
Ah yes, the hyper-expensive F-22 "Raptor" stealth superfighter!
most of the shown manouevers are looking great at the airshow,
but in reality they are "sitting ducks".
It's nice that the F22 is a stealthy airplane, but while it's in stealthy mode,
it can't even use its own radar for fear of giving its position away,
thusly, any attempt to use said radar array to transfer data is going to generate
much the same result, a very unstealthy F22 ;)

Last week i read about the former balkan war,  the Serbians used their GSM
network disturbances for detecting stealth, which allowed them to deploy
 their NATO countermeasure, usually a doorless 650Watt microwave
oven with *a very long mains lead*  for 'painting' the F-117's, perhaps
lighting up the threat warning whilst an SA-3 came from another direction.
Imagine the F-22 superjets could act as flying Wi-Fi hotspots! ;)


talking about close dogfight i'l take a Eurofighter Typhoon anyday! ;)
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« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2007, 05:54:08 PM »
Having just come back from the annual Salthill airshow. I was mightily impressed by the Typhoon (Eurofighter). I swear it turns better than the Spit 16. I don't have a video but here's one on utube. I throw that into the mix. It is an incredibly noisy aircraft though.

I can't help feeling it's all a bit academic now anyway with reliable BVR missiles. It's all very well being manoeuverable if the undetected F22, shoots you down from 50 miles away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APiiKsH0dR4&mode=related&search=

By the way, the Thunderbirds were there too on the first leg of their European tour. Mighty impressive. I never knew they used music to accompany their display. Finally the Irish flag gets to appear among all the other flags on their fuselage.

The only bad note was when the RAF dropped a door on some spectators. Could have been nasty but only minor injuries. I was standing about 100 feet away. A video here: Thunderbirds feature in it too.

http://www.rte.ie/news/9news/

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« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2007, 05:57:28 PM »
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I can't help feeling it's all a bit academic now anyway with reliable BVR missiles.[/URL]


Reliable in 'tests' or combat?

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« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2007, 06:17:42 PM »
and i forgott to say, F-22 is looking so ugly compared to the Typhoon :lol
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« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2007, 08:28:18 PM »
I think the F-22 is beautiful and rather mean looking, which is a plus for a warplane.

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« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2007, 08:37:28 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2007, 08:39:52 PM »
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it can't even use its own radar for fear of giving its position away,
thusly, any attempt to use said radar array to transfer data is going to generate
much the same result, a very unstealthy F22 ;)
 


They use them in pairs of 2. One with radar on...it locks on and sends data to the other, the other fires the missile...enemy plane go boom...
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« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2007, 08:41:23 PM »
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and i forgott to say, F-22 is looking so ugly compared to the Typhoon :lol

I think the Euro-Phanbois_Kool-aid is kicking in ;)

I think they're both beautiful.




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« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2007, 08:43:49 PM »
only reason the f22 looks a lil ugly is because of the top...

Hey, ugly isnt bad...A-10 Warthog is ugly...but PWNs all tanks...
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« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2007, 08:44:39 PM »
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shot of an f22 I took today in RI!

Nice pic, Strato! :aok

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« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2007, 08:47:01 PM »
The fighter that should have been.


I think this is a very nice looking AC.

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« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2007, 08:47:48 PM »
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only reason the f22 looks a lil ugly is because of the top...

Hey, ugly isnt bad...A-10 Warthog is ugly...but PWNs all tanks...


Exterior appeasement aside, I'll take top secret statistics over visual aspect any day. ;)

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