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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2007, 08:49:52 PM »
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The fighter that should have been.
I think this is a very nice looking AC.

Bronk

From what I recall, pretty much beat the competition in almost every catagory....but Boeing (Ooops, sorry, MD, which was bought by Boeing ;) )was getting all the military contracts at that time (Starwars chit), sooooo, fairness and all. ;)
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« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2007, 08:51:13 PM »
The usual hyper-tech babbling we get from modern fighter "debates".

First off, none of you know the capabilities of the a/c involved because they are all highly classified (F-22, Eurofighter, Su-30), so I find it hard to accept how you would know X beats Y unless your real life job is something to do with having that kind of intel.

Secondly, nobody ever looks at the affordability, or deployability of a lot of these systems. Its only the manufacturers say so thats quoted which is almost  always proven to be overly opimistic.

Lastly, modern air campaigns are not fought with 1 vs 1 "duels" in clinical "fair" fights.

You can look at all the air combats since 1945, none of the victors were dependant on super-high-tech.

Command and control, servicability, STRATEGY AND TACTICS, support, pilot skill, weapon reliability, will count more than wether your pretty 300 million dollar fighter (any of them) does well.

That and wether you can even afford enough of them, when the companies seem hell bent on producing fighters today for a ridiculous price, but then they are beholden to their shareholders, not the Air Force.
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« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2007, 08:54:22 PM »
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The usual hyper-tech babbling we get from modern fighter "debates".

First off, none of you know the capabilities of the a/c involved because they are all highly classified (F-22, Eurofighter, Su-30), so I find it hard to accept how you would know X beats Y unless your real life job is something to do with having that kind of intel.

Secondly, nobody ever looks at the affordability, or deployability of a lot of these systems. Its only the manufacturers say so thats quoted which is almost  always proven to be overly opimistic.

Lastly, modern air campaigns are not fought with 1 vs 1 "duels" in clinical "fair" fights.

You can look at all the air combats since 1945, none of the victors were dependant on super-high-tech.

Command and control, servicability, STRATEGY AND TACTICS, support, pilot skill, weapon reliability, will count more than wether your pretty 300 million dollar fighter (any of them) does well.

That and wether you can even afford enough of them, when the companies seem hell bent on producing fighters today for a ridiculous price, but then they are beholden to their shareholders, not the Air Force.


Damn all I posted was I  thought the YF 23 was nice looking.:confused:


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« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2007, 09:26:48 PM »
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I don't believe Brits have AWACS....


They do. They've got 7 E-3's, France got 4, NATO got another 17 stationed in Germany. USAF got 32. So 32 AWACS are controlling the skies over North America and other US territories, while 28 AWACS are controlling the skies of Europe (not counting the Russian AWACS aircraft).

Other nations with AWACS aircraft include: Russia, China, India, Israel, Saudi-Arabia, Australia, Turkey, South-Korea, Pakistan, Sweden, and Singapore. I may have forgot some.

In addition the US Navy, Royal Navy and French Navy have a number of AWACS aircraft for carrier use.

A simple google would have alleviated your ignorance.
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« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2007, 09:31:23 PM »
Oh, for the record, the F-22 looks just fine. ;)
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« Reply #80 on: June 24, 2007, 09:36:28 PM »
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A simple google would have alleviated your ignorance.
Are you going for a 2nd ban? Geez. Have a drink, have a smoke. Relax.
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« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2007, 10:04:19 PM »
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They do. They've got 7 E-3's, France got 4, NATO got another 17 stationed in Germany. USAF got 32. So 32 AWACS are controlling the skies over North America and other US territories, while 28 AWACS are controlling the skies of Europe (not counting the Russian AWACS aircraft).

Other nations with AWACS aircraft include: Russia, China, India, Israel, Saudi-Arabia, Australia, Turkey, South-Korea, Pakistan, Sweden, and Singapore. I may have forgot some.

In addition the US Navy, Royal Navy and French Navy have a number of AWACS aircraft for carrier use.

A simple google would have alleviated your ignorance.


And they all have a secret response to our secret we don't like you any more button. ;)
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« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2007, 10:23:31 PM »
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it can't even use its own radar for fear of giving its position away,
thusly, any attempt to use said radar array to transfer data is going to generate
much the same result, a very unstealthy F22

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The 22 can take a data link from awacs or any other fighter capable of sending radar data and use it to guide its missiles without ever turning on its own radar.  The only warning the bad guy gets is when the amraam starts x-mitting in close.  and by then its usually too late.

When I was stationed at Osan, my flight chief had just come from working the atf program (f22 vs F23).  In his opinion the 23 was a better plane, but Northrop had the huge money cow B-2 that the politicians figure that they should throw a fat juicy contract to Lockheed-Martin.

Anyways, if you do some research on the F22 radar it's quite nasty in itself.  One was here at Beale a few weeks ago and the crewchiefs wouldn't let us take pics on the ground from directly front or rear of the acft(no idea why) seems you can find them anywhere.  Talking to those guys, it's a sweet machine from the maintenance aspect.  We should give a few to the Israelis (sp?) and let them have fun.
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« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2007, 04:35:24 AM »
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Snip...

talking about close dogfight i'l take a Eurofighter Typhoon anyday! ;)
This beast can turn allmost on place.


...and you'd probably come out SECOND BEST .
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« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2007, 05:09:18 AM »
This has been posted before:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185595&highlight=modern

If you want quality F-22 jet porn you gotta see the clip from "Modern Marvels".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBUmRd4hKlg

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« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2007, 08:14:25 AM »
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The fighter that should have been.


I think this is a very nice looking AC.

Bronk


See I heard the F-23 out preformed the f-22 in all areas.  

Just Lockheed got the inside edge because of past works.
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« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2007, 08:15:52 AM »
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From what I recall, pretty much beat the competition in almost every catagory....but Boeing (Ooops, sorry, MD, which was bought by Boeing ;) )was getting all the military contracts at that time (Starwars chit), sooooo, fairness and all. ;)


sorry didnt read this.  My bad!
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« Reply #87 on: June 25, 2007, 08:54:22 AM »
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Stealth

The F–22 is not a Stealthy Aircraft.

Stealth means the proper suppression of all its important “signatures”—Visual Signature, Radar Signature, Infrared Signature, Electromagnetic Emissions, and Sound.

Visually—The F–22, one of the world’s largest, most identifiable fighters, cannot hide in daylight. Its role is in daylight. Stealth operations are night operations. Unfortunately stealth against radar invariably increases the size of a fighter making it more visible.


Mmm, not sure if this Colonel is correct. Size does not dictate radar cross section, shape does. If you took an F-117, and doubled its size while maintaining the same shape, the radar cross section will be the same.

Hell, you can design a submarine that won't return active sonar pings, and an aircraft carrier with an RCS the size of a dinghy if you wanted to. That's at least according to the former head of Skunkworks Ben Rich. I'd think him & his mathematicians know what they're talking about.
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« Reply #88 on: June 25, 2007, 11:25:48 AM »
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Are you going for a 2nd ban? Geez. Have a drink, have a smoke. Relax.


I'm completely relaxed and my previous post should be read in a calm friendly manner. 2nd ban? 2nd? I don't think so.




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And they all have a secret response to our secret we don't like you any more button. ;)


Yeah I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did. ;) (The French do that to some of their export stuff too.)
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« Reply #89 on: June 25, 2007, 11:28:25 AM »
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Mmm, not sure if this Colonel is correct. Size does not dictate radar cross section, shape does.


He's not talking about radar cross section, but visibile size ... as in eyeball mk. I.
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