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Offline red26

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« on: June 22, 2007, 01:45:56 PM »
On 11 January 2002,  
 Joseph J. Foss of Scottsdale, Arizona — a major in the USMC during World War II, a colonel in the USAF during the Korean War, and later a brigadier general with the South Dakota Air National Guard — was attempting to board an America West flight bound for Arlington, Virginia, when airport security held him for 45 minutes while they debated what to do with a variety of suspect items he had about his person. This 86-year-old former governor of South Dakota was on his way to attend a National Rifle Association meeting and to speak to cadets at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, and he carried with him his Medal of Honor, as well as a Medal of Honor commemorative nail file and a dummy bullet which had been made into a key fob.

Each of these items was regarded as a potential security risk by airport personnel: the bullet for being a bullet, the nail file for being a nail file (metal nail files are now banned on flights in the USA), and the Medal of Honor for being a suspicious five-pointed metal object that might have been a weapon (similar to the Japanese throwing discs known hira shuriken).

After being repeatedly searched, Foss was allowed to board the plane with his Medal of Honor, but he had to mail the bullet and nail file home to himself.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2007, 02:02:07 PM »
So.......veterans should be able to board aircraft with sharp metal objects but the rest of the public should not?  Is that the reason for your post?

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2007, 02:19:16 PM »
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So.......veterans should be able to board aircraft with sharp metal objects but the rest of the public should not?  Is that the reason for your post?

I expect crap like that from a kid like you.

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 02:30:21 PM »
Careful who you accuse of the crap slinging.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2007, 02:31:19 PM »
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So.......veterans should be able to board aircraft with sharp metal objects but the rest of the public should not?  Is that the reason for your post?


     Yeah, everyone knows what a threat Medal of Honor winners are to
national security.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 02:31:51 PM »
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Careful who you accuse of the crap slinging.


Watching....

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Seems as another "Post and Run" thread.

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2007, 02:33:58 PM »
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I expect crap like that from a kid like you.

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It's a valid point.

Airport security is an excessive joke.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2007, 02:38:20 PM »
Judgement in airport security has been banned in favor of Political Correctness.

I think everyone sees that Joe Foss, aged MOH winner, is just as much a threat to air safety as Mohammed Atta.

You all do see that, don't you?
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2007, 02:38:25 PM »
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It's a valid point.
True

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Airport security is an excessive joke.
excessive and expensive.

I think we should ban air travel all together. For security reasons... And for AWMac...

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2007, 02:39:27 PM »
Hey didnt we have a thread about this in say........ 2002? When it took place?

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2007, 02:40:16 PM »
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I expect crap like that from a kid like you.


Thanks for the compliment, I am actually 39.

My point is that ANYONE, 4 months after 9/11, who doesn't go through the metal detector (because of a pacemaker) that is then found to have lots of metal objects in his jacket pocket (after he was told to take all objects out of the jacket) is bound to get some extra attention from airport security.  Do you not remember what a cluster airport security was back then?

I was simply asking what the point of the post was.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2007, 03:02:23 PM »
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Thanks for the compliment, I am actually 39.

My point is that ANYONE, 4 months after 9/11, who doesn't go through the metal detector (because of a pacemaker) that is then found to have lots of metal objects in his jacket pocket (after he was told to take all objects out of the jacket) is bound to get some extra attention from airport security.  Do you not remember what a cluster airport security was back then?

I was simply asking what the point of the post was.


Yep still a kid.  You have no point. Problem is you are not making a point.

Stop spinning.


My point is that ANYONE, 4 months after Alice in Wonderland, who doesn't go through the small hole well (because of a rabbit) that is then found to have lots of time objects in his jacket pocket (after he was told to hurry because he couldn't be late) is bound to get some extra attention from the Queen of Hearts.  Do you not remember what a cluster the Tea Party was back then?


Kind of sums it up a bit.

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2007, 03:04:56 PM »
Yeah, it's gone too far from the common sense department that's for sure.

Last April I took a flight out to Vancouver. I'm retired military, have a couple of gongs etc...also have a steel plate in my leg that sets off the security scanner. I was nearly strip searched both ways.........odd that we hire people from less secure area's of the world to work security at our airports, and that they cannot seem to understand that there is no way for me to remove my leg prior to going through security.

The real threat to airport security is the ability of all airport employees to have virtually free access to aircraft once they are employed.  We have had instances of aircraft groomers (cleaning ladies and gents) walking onto aircraft just to "look around and sit in the Captains seat" ...unescorted.

The Bus and Train are looking better all the time.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 03:25:47 PM »
Airport security ehh.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2007, 03:29:56 PM »
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Wow, you totally lost me on where you were going on your response.  

Take the 5 minutes I did and google the late Joseph J. Foss and read the transcript of the interview he did with CNN shortly after his incident with airport security.  You may/should/will find that this encounter had next to nothing to do with his service background or the fact that he was carrying the Medal of Honor.

That is my point.