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Offline Wayout

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« on: June 24, 2007, 09:08:35 AM »
Talked to my Uncle about the B-25.  He was a squadron executive officer for the 498th Squadron (Falcon) of the 345th Bombardment Group (M) based in the Pacific.  He joined the group when it was stationed at Biak. His impressions of the B-25 can be summed up with this quote "it was one hell of an airplane".  These are a couple of his thoughts on the B-25.  The 75mm canon wasn't well liked by the crews. It was hard to load, hard to aim, and almost impossible to hit anything.  The worse part was in order to aim the gun they had to fly the plane along the trajectory of the shell making them an easier target for ground fire.  He also added as an after thought that firing that canon was like driving a car real fast and slamming on the brakes. The recoil made it feel like you ran into a brick wall.  After he joined the squadron, he couldn't remember how long after, the canon was removed and replaced with 2 additional 50cal machine guns.  This gave the plane 12 forward firing machine guns.  The recoil from firing all 12 at once would slow the plane by about 80mph.  His prefered method of low level attack was to have 3 planes, wing tip to wing tip at tree top level firing all guns to keep the AA gunners heads down and drop para-bombs on the target.  Most mission had fighter escort, usually P-38s, and he said it wasn't unusual to see a crippled P-38 tucked under the belly of a B-25 using the plane and it's guns for protection.

 The war was a long time ago and my Uncle has never talked much about his war experences.  I do know he lost two people very close to him. His brother was kill in a B-29 over japan and his best friend was killed in one of the last raids of the war, a death recorded by the bomb bay camera of my Uncles plane.
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2007, 03:07:56 PM »
wats all this spam about?

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2007, 05:59:23 PM »
to your Uncle Wayout. Interesting little read - ty.



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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2007, 06:06:59 PM »
do you have any pictures of your Uncle's B-25?  When we actually get the B-25 in game, maybe one of the skinners will make a skin of your uncle's bird.


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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2007, 06:08:00 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2007, 06:52:18 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2007, 11:21:27 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007, 12:26:26 AM »
Nice to learn a little about the B-25:aok

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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2007, 07:23:45 AM »
Nice post Wayout
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2007, 07:56:10 AM »
From what your Uncle said and from what I have read previously, the cannon wasn't well liked in real-life.

That being said, I'm sure if they make a few versions of the B-25 for Aces High and one of them is the G or H with the 75mm cannon, it will be good for taking down ground targets in a few passes.

I'm hoping they make a B-25H model (Top turret forward, tail gunner position, 8 forward 50 cals / 10 if including top turret which can be locked into forward firing position and fired by pilot, and 75mm cannon) Maybe Hitech will introduce some parademo bombs into AH2 as well, who knows. Solid nose J would be sweet also.



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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2007, 11:59:35 PM »
Nice thread.  

I've also read about the field conversions of many of the 75mm equipped B-25's to mount additional .50's instead.   I've also read that firing the earlier B-25's with field refitted 75mm's created a lot of stress on the B-25's airframe.  Rivet holes began to oval out, and some airframes were retired with as few as 20 rounds fired by the 75mm.

I came across most of it while researching the A-26B-Block 5's that were field tested, which were also equipped with the 75mm.  Experience with the B-25's and A-26 field testing seem to go a long way to reverse the Army Air Force's desire for a "flying cannon", and both the solid nose B-25's and A-26's instead were retrofitted, or fitted from the factory, with banks of .50's firing API rounds instead, which seemed to be far more effective than the single 75mm and a couple .50's proved to be, especially in anti-shipping and strafing ground targets.  

But, I can't think of a single plane in AHII that is represented as a field refit, so I expect the B-25 to be presented pretty much as Pyro was once quoted as saying: ""I'd like to see the C, H, and J in that order. Whether all of those can make the next version will depend on how fast it goes to make the shapes."

* The C/D model would see many skins and SEA use, and maybe be seen in the MW arena.  Not certain about time frame for EW use --- I believe the B would easily rate EW, not so sure about the C/D.  
* The H would probably prove less than effective.  I don't expect a 75mm mounted in a B-25H to be all useful in the LW Arena.  With about 20 rounds, you'd only be able to take down about 10 town buildings or so (or similar) with the 75mm, plus 3,200 pound bomb load.  It's speed and performance will make it an easy target in the air if enemy planes or Osties around, and it's slow reload times will hamper it in an Anti-GV role.  1 shot, maybe 2 at best, per pass will be a tough shot to make from a medium bomber.
The 75mm was historically and primarily used in anti-shipping vs Sampans, IIRC, so it does not have much of a role in a LW map.  If you try to deack a field or drop a town with one, the plane's relatively slow speed and larger size will have it chewed up by other close ack.  
* The J, if made, with the many forward .50's (8 to 14) may prove the most popular in LW.  The J could carry up to (I think) 8 rockets underwing or some gunpods underwing, but I think the bomb load drops to 2,000 pounds to make up for wing ord and extra .50's (sources vary).  

The original thread also hit on one other point.  Wayout's Uncle enjoyed fighter escort and air superiority much of the time; a situation that will not come all that often in the LW arena.  The plane  saw very wide use in all theaters of WWII, and was well known for getting it's crew home with battle damage, but I don't see that translating well into the game (outside of SEA).  I expect a few SEA events will be added or changed to use the B-25, and many skinners will produce B-25 models, but I don't see the plane doing particularly well in the LW arena.  I don't see it getting much use in EW or MW either, simply due to the typical bomb load compared to other available planes in EW and MW for milkrunning.

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2007, 09:23:50 AM »
All your points are valid, but you neglected the fact that some players fly planes they like in real-life. Not everyone grabs the plane with the greatest bomb load or strongest guns. So since the B-25 received the most votes from actual players, I think we'll see the B-25 in the air as much as you see the other US Medium B-26 presently.   But then again, I've only been playing for 2 months so what the heck do I know :D

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2007, 03:39:27 PM »
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I think we'll see the B-25 in the air as much as you see the other US Medium B-26 presently.    


Maybe for the first few weeks but I doubt it long term
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2007, 08:24:15 PM »
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Maybe for the first few weeks but I doubt it long term


No. I think it will thrive, because every n00b who joins in, every squeaker and two-weeker will fly the B-25 RELIGEOUSLY. Because its the plane they know. Granted, they will dive bomb, and dweeb it up, try to launch from a CV, and beg for the "UB3R AFFLECK UPGR4D3", but it WILL be flown.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2007, 12:51:45 PM »
they better make it available to take off from CV without turning away from tower because thats what it did.
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