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Offline toonces3

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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« on: June 24, 2007, 01:01:25 PM »
The other night, I saw Widewing land like 4 kills in an IL2, and I thought, "well, that's Widewing, he's pretty good..."

But last night (Sat) I saw guys landing IL2 kills left and right.  I even saw Jaxxo land some kills in one, and I'm pretty sure he was dogfighting because he was fighting at A48 most of the night where I was I think.

I upped an Il2 for the first time Fri to go looking for some GV's and I couldn't do a thing in it.  Horrible maneuvering, can't see anything at all out of the cockpit, can't climb for crap...a seemingly impossible plane to do a thing in.
Thankfully I was able to get it back on deck and take up something more sensible.

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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2007, 01:08:10 PM »
jaxxo landed only proxis and kill steals

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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2007, 01:09:12 PM »
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jaxxo landed only proxis and kill steals
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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2007, 01:20:22 PM »
Jaxxo can land? :confused:
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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2007, 01:22:13 PM »
Ive noticed alot of IL2 pilots too. Some of them are really good in it, but far too many use it as a HO tank.

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2007, 02:03:45 PM »
I went for months before my first kill.  GV's are easy....fly and bomb from F3 position.

Use F3 to maneuver for a gun solution, then switch to F1, fire away.   Dead GV's.

I find a fair number of decent air to air pilots in the IL2.  I am not one of them.  The favorite maneuver of these pilots is to let you overshoot, then pull up on your six and take a (sometimes long) cannon shot...  boom, you are dead.
The counter to the air to air is to keep your speed and peck them to death.  They take  a lot, but a stream of cannon through the cockpit kills them quickly.

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Re: What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2007, 02:27:26 PM »
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The other night, I saw Widewing land like 4 kills in an IL2, and I thought, "well, that's Widewing, he's pretty good..."

But last night (Sat) I saw guys landing IL2 kills left and right.  I even saw Jaxxo land some kills in one, and I'm pretty sure he was dogfighting because he was fighting at A48 most of the night where I was I think.

I upped an Il2 for the first time Fri to go looking for some GV's and I couldn't do a thing in it.  Horrible maneuvering, can't see anything at all out of the cockpit, can't climb for crap...a seemingly impossible plane to do a thing in.
Thankfully I was able to get it back on deck and take up something more sensible.

What's the dealy-o gents?


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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2007, 02:32:07 PM »
summer time brings in squeakers with goals of vulching and the il2 is the vulcher killer...simple math
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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2007, 02:59:53 PM »
Don't forget that some people do actually use the Il-2 in it's intended role: They do attack ground vehicles.

A skilled pilot can rack up quite a amount of GV kills that  way. Last night I saw HC43S flying some support missions near VBases and landing a lot of kills.

And at least 95% of my own kills in Il-2 are ground vehicles.
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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2007, 03:16:47 PM »
IL-2's are great for cap busting.

Can usually get off the runway in situations another plane wouldn't.

Once up, forcing the overshoot is easy, then pop them in the butt.
Failing that it's amazing how many people will try to HO an IL-2 lol.

Plus with the latest crop of FH killing, IL-2s are a good 'bomber' option to choose.
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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2007, 03:20:29 PM »
This tour I have somewhere between 35 and 40 kills air to air flying the IL-2, with no losses other than colliding with a fighter I had already shot the tail off of.

Typically, the IL-2 is durable and packs a tremendous wallop. It turns very well as long as you have E to burn. A good pilot in an IL-2 is very dangerous. Many guys have not taken it seriously and paid for that neglect. The ultimate secret to being successful flying the IL-2 is E management.

The IL-2 is slow to roll, but this can be greatly improved with some rudder. It has strong elevators, however.

Nonetheless, the IL-2 is heavy and under-powered. Thus, if you find yourself dealing with an aggressive Stormovik, your best option is to take the engagement vertical. Not just a simple zoom climb. That will get you killed if the IL-2 has even remotely equal E. I mean maneuver nose high, sucking the E out of the IL-2, until he cannot do anything but get the nose down to recover some speed. That is when the IL-2 is vulnerable. Nevertheless, you have to understand that the IL-2 will shrug off snaps shots of machine gun ammo. You will have to hit it several times. So, don't blow the E you've gained looking for the one-shot kill. You probably won't get it, even with Hispanos. IL-2s can sometimes absorb two or even three hits from Osties....

The other day I was chasing a formation of low Ju 88s attacking a CV. I pulled in behind and double-checked my tail. A P-51 was diving in... I then got a check 6 from another pilot... I thought, "The hell with it, he can't hurt me", and began hosing the 88s. As first one than another Ju 88 exploded, my IL-2 was hit by fire from the P-51. He blew by, and I pulled up the nose and fired. Some hits sprites appeared and a flap or aileron came off. A split second later a 5" gun vaporized him. My damage? A few holes and the rear MG was knocked out... It's dead weight to me anyway.

That sortie I landed 7 kills, (and 3 assists). Two M3s, two Ju 88s, a Dora, a Niki and a Spit16.

Against ground vehicles, the IL-2 can kill anything short of a Tiger with guns only. I've done it many times. It takes a long concentrated burst of gunfire, but I've exploded M4s and Panzers with just the 23mm cannons. T-34s prove tougher, requiring about 200 cannon rounds. M3s and M16s need only a couple of hits. M8s, just a few more. I'll kill jeeps using only the 7.62mm MGs. Bombs only add to the carnage.  

I enjoy dogfighting in bombers. I have air to air kills in the SBD and Ju 87 this tour. I'll fly the  A-20, Boston and TBM as fighters too. I enjoy the challenge.

So, if you see an IL-2 stooging around up between 3,000 and 5,000 feet, avoid it. He's hoping that you will attack him. ;)

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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2007, 03:25:10 PM »
You can track a Tiger with an IL-2 Widewing.

Try 2 or 3 passes, concentrate on one sides track.
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Re: The IL2
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2007, 04:48:33 PM »
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They take  a lot, but a stream of cannon through the cockpit kills them quickly.



I killed 2 or 3 iL-2s on the deck last night in my P-47. Easiest thing ive ever done. They took MAYBE a 2-second burst to the wing and they were down. HO or a six shot to the fuselage isnt gonna do ANYTHING but all my shots were to the wing root and they feel from the sky instantly.

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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2007, 05:05:31 PM »
The Il is an excellent base defender, and with 25% gas is capable of dealing with your average hordemonkeys in short order. It won't handily outturn spits or zekes on the deck, but it can really wreak havoc on those who underestimate it.
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What's with all the kills in the IL2 lately?
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2007, 05:27:28 PM »
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summer time brings in squeakers with goals of vulching and the il2 is the vulcher killer...simple math


True dat. Last night a rook CV was hanging off a base. There were hordes of zekes trying to vulch. It was like swatting flies.

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