Score & Rank: Completely useless info

[Xargos]

You have a much better roll rate and hold E better then the 109, use it.

[bj229r]

G series yah, but K4 far better roller/diver than others, as I can tell

[Xargos]

Sounds like your running into pilots who know how to push the limits of the Konrad, like using the K key in dives and using rudders to help roll.

I'm sure one of the other Muppets would be willing to work with you...I'm no where near as good as any of the other guys in my squad, so I'm not going to insult you by offering you my help.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Xargos
Sounds like your running into pilots who know how to push the limits of the Konrad, like using the K key in dives and using rudders to help roll.

I'm sure one of the other Muppets would be willing to work with you...I'm no where near as good as any of the other guys in my squad, so I'm not going to insult you by offering you my help.

Yah, most guys I run into drivin K4's are good sticks ANYway

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by FALCONWING

...my observations are rock solid about what mix of planes are currently used to achieve top scores....

 

Haven't we already covered this and shown that your observations didn't apply to some? You then backpedaled and called them generalizations.  Tell me, how can generalizations be rock solid? Especially since we already proved that they are 100% inaccurate in some cases.

You also said your first post is :  

...a logical factual analysis of what style of flying/fighting takes top score rank

So, is it a generalization, an observation, or a logical factual analysis?

How can it be the third, or even the second when we've already disproven it?

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
I was in a 190-A8 (not too terribly different than a Jug match-up) the other night at about 7-8K all alone in a sector having just left the field when a 109K4 came over me at about 15K.  I leveled and hit WEP to get speed watching the guy.  Sure enough he came after me.

As he drew nearer (about 2K back) I nosed down into a dive.  I kept watching both him and my speed.  As I crossed his compression point (~400 mph TGS) he pulled up.  As he pulled up I dropped to the deck as quick as I could and leveled at treetop height.

I was running with WEP on watching the guy.  He started circling.  He had lost me when he pulled up and I simultaneously dove under his nose.  

After I was clear of icon range I pulled back up into a climb.  Finally he spotted me and came after me again.  I reversed and the entire scenario above played out again except this time he was also on the deck closing from 2-3K back.

In the meantime a friendly had come close and asked if I needed help.  I said sure but he couldn't close on the K4.  I was just about to reverse to drag the K4 to him when it broke off me to chase him.  

I reversed as the friendly and the K4 went one or two rounds, then, the K4 came straight at me.  Poof.  That will teach that guy to try to HO a 190-A8.

The point of this is, your dive speed may not have only been a temporary advantage.  Had I not climbed back out I would have cleared that K4 after the first attempt and been gone.

Later that flight I was chased by a G series 109.  I scissored him into a nose to nose at which point he boke off.  Unfortunately he had hit my last remaining fuel tank during the scissors and I ended up hitting a tree trying to ditch some minutes later.

Yet another worthy tactic you could try in the Jug, especially as fast as the K4's are, an overshoot would be likely.

 BaldEagle, are trying to help him learn how to reverse K-4's, or how to HO planes you don't know how to reverse???

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by SkyRock
BaldEagle, are trying to help him learn how to reverse K-4's, or how to HO planes you don't know how to reverse???

I deleted the post for that very reason.

Actually, my plan was to scissor him into an overshoot or a nose-to-nose on the second encounter but we never got that far.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
I deleted the post for that very reason.

Actually, my plan was to scissor him into an overshoot or a nose-to-nose on the second encounter but we never got that far.

Why would you ever want a nose to nose?  

bj229r, if you want any help on how to reverse any plane that has an advantage on your jug, let me know and I'll be glad to help as much as I can.  There are certain angles that you don't want against a k-4, and some that are more advantageous for the jug.  It is all in re-active flying and timing, but the manuvers are fairly basic and work for almost any plane fighting from the disadvantage!

Mark

[bj229r]

sweet:aok

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by SkyRock
Why would you ever want a nose to nose?

2x20's and 2x30's vs 1x30 and it would actually end in a high deflection shot, not a true nose to nose but close enough I suppose.  I use this a lot in the A8 and pretty succesfully.

Missing that deflection shot and carried through far enough it ends up reversing the roles, making me the pursuer.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
2x20's and 2x30's vs 1x30 and it would actually end in a high deflection shot, not a true nose to nose but close enough I suppose.  I use this a lot in the A8 and pretty succesfully.

Missing that deflection shot and carried through far enough it ends up reversing the roles, making me the pursuer.

I'd much rather prefer the 2x20mm's and 2x30mm's vs 109k-4 elevators and vert stab!:aok

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Haven't we already covered this and shown that your observations didn't apply to some? You then backpedaled and called them generalizations.  Tell me, how can generalizations be rock solid? Especially since we already proved that they are 100% inaccurate in some cases.

You also said your first post is :  

So, is it a generalization, an observation, or a logical factual analysis?

How can it be the third, or even the second when we've already disproven it?

Truly your intellect is dizzying....




to reply directly to you i would say that a generalization can be true and therefore my generalizations are of course rock solid:aok

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by storch
in the walk down memory lane thread the FoSG queen bee states that he has been playing this game since 1994.  the first thing that occurs to me is why an adult person who has thirteen odd years playing experience is still running around with legions of players most of which are barely pubescent knocking down pixellated standing structures in a cartoon game?

secondly, why has this person not progressed beyond the use of the most easily handled and least challenging of the cartoon inventory?

thirdly, why do I never find this player alone in the game? ever.

he challenged me to the DA once I accepted.  during that fight he won two rounds but by the third fight I figured out how to get above him and thus ended in a stalemate.  he has yet to return to the DA with me, often citing my inability to offer him a challenge as a reason and excuse.  

I fought wetrat in the DA once and it was clear to me immediately that I was far outclassed.  there wasn't even the glimmer of a hope for me to even negate this players far greater ability with anything.  my only end in any fight with this player would be by pixellated anihilation.  he is possibly the best player in the game currently.

falcnwng is basically a timid player and he with his whole squad are anathema to what this game is and should be to me and many others.

 

Ok storch you dont even lie well though it is what you do the most.... here is your post from 10/2006 right after we went to the DA....


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Originally posted by thndregg
No guts because you choose not to DA........ A N Y O N E.
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thank you for your response but I have to say not true. I have been to the DA many times once with your CO and a few of his pals. you baitfish players never seem to do anything alone do you?

I have been to DA with REDD who slaughtered me
I have been to the DA with shane who slaughtered me
I have been to the DA with wildthng who slaughtered me
I have been to the DA with akak who slaughtered me
I have been to the DA falconwing who slaughtered me.

I have been to the DA with other players where it has been a draw.

I have been to the DA with other players whom I have slaughtered.

I don't like the DA. I find it boring and I'm not good enough at it nor do I have any interest in taking the time to aquire the skill it takes to get good at it. it proves nothing to me so it is of little value.

of the players above mentioned that slaughtered me I was least impressed with akak. here's a player with over ten years experience that I actually had a gun solution on, If I could shoot well he would have been dead.

the player that impressed me the most was falconwing, he may well be the best player I have ever fought outside of morph, stang or leviathn.


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BUSTED!!!!

[toonces3]

bj229r,
If you're excelling in the P47N then you're probably better than at least half the players in this game, including me.

Just my opinion.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by toonces3
bj229r,
If you're excelling in the P47N then you're probably better than at least half the players in this game, including me.

Just my opinion.

lol 'excelling' wouldnt be MY description:rofl