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Offline wrag

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BATF new tactic???
« on: June 27, 2007, 04:42:56 AM »
Seems the ATF is using a new technique?

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56389

Someone sure SEEMS to want to make thing difficult for law abbiding Americans....
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2007, 08:56:19 AM »
yep...those who would disarm us are ever vigilant.. they take every tiny little bit of control they can get and their ultimate goal is to take away all of our guns.  they will never stop.

There are 80+ million gun owners but only about 4 million belong to the NRA... if 50 million did we would not only never have another attack on our second amendment rights but we would start to roll back a lot of the unconstitutional laws we now have.

If you do not belong to the NRA or some other advocacy group then you are part of the problem.

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2007, 09:16:04 AM »
I remember something of a media fight between the NRA and Gun Owners of America, a few years back--had to do with Congress, can't remember what it was about--Seems the NRA was on defensive there...anyone remember it?
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2007, 02:32:50 PM »
I do not.  I would say tho that joining any gun owners advocacy group is better than sitting on your fat rump.

You need to be careful tho..  the left is dishonest (hard to believe eh?) and has started a few groups that seem like second amendment advocacy groups but are in reality run by handgun control inc or the brady bunch.   They have like 10 members and use the name of the group to say that "such and such a group is pro gun and they are for...."  blah blah blah... whatever is the new restrictive gun law some democrat is sponsoring to take away even more of our rights.

They are very dishonest... both handgun control inc and the brady bunch have changed their names several times.

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Re: BATF new tactic???
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2007, 03:29:28 PM »
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Originally posted by wrag
Seems the ATF is using a new technique?

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56389

Someone sure SEEMS to want to make thing difficult for law abbiding Americans....


Not the first time.


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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2007, 06:25:13 PM »
Considering the trend of the last 20 years or so, if you keep up with such things and take a close look at them, it is almost as the perimeter is being probed and the boundaries are being tested. How far can it be pushed on the public and still be damaged controlled and snow coated without total protest? So far we have seen mass murder. It was juggled , blantantly lied about to the point of being fictional to the point of where only a total labotomy participant could even consider it as anything other than a fairy tale.
We have seen a mother and son used for target practice while under seige over a trumped up violation, when considered in the scheme of things, equals a parking ticket.
We have seen way, way too many instances of lives lost, families devastated, long time businesses shot to hell, blatant Nazi Storm trooper tactics used excessively.
No knock, midnight raids resulting in more firepower exhibitions against citizens. A lot of which were raids conducted at the wrong address. Most of which could have been taken care of and resolved with a phone call from a local office. Properties and finances seized for the media showboating end of it.
Constitutional and personal freedom and rights trampled and disregarded to the point of national embarrassment.
On and on and on.
So far I would say that they are batting in the big hitters area. No significant outcry and protest as of yet.
We, as a nation, are slowly being chiseled down to the level of the very things that our country fought to preserve and accomplish for others around the globe. Total tyranny.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2007, 08:26:25 AM »
when 76% of "journalists" identify themselves as liberals you can bet that the masses won't get much of a pro gun slant on things or even a fair showing.

If a republican were to murder a bunch of gun owners then they might be all over the story.. problem is... it is always the darlings of the press core doing the slaughter.

I have never figured out how the people in the US just let 28 children be roasted alive along with their parents and did nothing.  all over some trumped up gun stuff.

It is indeed an "us against them"   liberals socialists against the individual... blue against red.

There is no room for compromise.    There should be none.  You simply can't.. they take their miles an inch at a time.  

diane finestein is an officer in one of the most outrageous anti second amendment rights groups in the country.. she has said that if she could get 51 votes she would tell mr and mrs America to "turn em in.. turn em all in"

Imagine if a republican congressman or senator was an officer in the NRA.. yet.. the media does nothing about finestein...  the woman who turned in a gun that was issued to her by the city on one of her "turn em in" rants.   tax payers money.. a tax payers gun.  she and her cronies are surrounded by hired guns day and night yet... you can't be trusted to own one.

most people think more of their worst neighbor than of congress yet..  we see nothing wrong with congress wandering the streets armed to the teeth while we and our fellows are not considered worthy of our own defense.

Why do politicans need guns and not us?   why do cops need guns and not us?   Why do coast guard troops show up at riots with guns?

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2007, 11:44:59 AM »
Uh maybe I missed this one, but when has the Coast Guard EVER shown up to a riot with guns??????

The Coast Guard has NO law enforcement juristiction on land other than certain federal installations that we are responsible for.

Seeing as how I spent my entire adult life serving in the CG, I take offense at that statement. Show me one instance where a member of the Coast Guard has been at a riot in uniform and shot or hurt a citizen of this country on orders. Had it happend I KNOW I would have heard about it.

Please enlighten me. Show me some proof to back that statement up. If you can't then I ask you to retract that statement. I know from personal experiance that the men and women that serve in the Coast Guard do so for one over riding reason. To protect and serve our fellow man. We willingly risk our lives every day, in the worst possible conditions to save lives and protect this country. Our #1 mission has ALWAYS been to save lives in peril on the seas. EVERYTHING else is secondary to that mission.

How dare you compare the Coast Guard to a bunch of storm troopers. You didn't come right out and say it, but it's easy to read between the lines.:furious
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2007, 11:57:02 AM »
You missed the point completely.
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2007, 12:51:10 PM »
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There are 80+ million gun owners but only about 4 million belong to the NRA... if 50 million did we would not only never have another attack on our second amendment rights but we would start to roll back a lot of the unconstitutional laws we now have.


I am a life member of the NRA, I'm doing my part.

More gun owners need to join the NRA or other similar organization. If the NRA had 50 million members, there would be no new gun control legislation passed and like Lazs said, we would probably see many of those laws revoked.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2007, 02:12:38 PM »
sorry hornet..  I meant to say the national guard.   Don't know what I was thinking when I said coast guard.

I stand by the rest of it tho.

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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2007, 02:43:36 PM »
Is that 80+ owners in the US?

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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2007, 03:43:06 PM »
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sorry hornet..  I meant to say the national guard.   Don't know what I was thinking when I said coast guard.

I stand by the rest of it tho.

lazs


Yeah me too. I agree with everything else you posted, got to the bottom and saw Coast Guard and was like WTF?????? Got my Irish up a bit at that point. I guess it comes from living in a Navy town for the last 8 years and always hearing people bash on the Coast Guard. Kinda made me snap a little bit today. Sorry for reacting the way I did, but once a Coastie, always a Coastie you know??

Back on topic though, I experianced some of this crap a few months ago when I bought my new M4 rifle. The dealer I bought it from wouldn't give me the 30rd mag that was supposed to come with the rifle unless I brought in a copy of my birth certificate, or passport. When I asked why, I was told that the BATF had recently conducted an audit of his store and warned him that with any future sales of assult type weapons and hand guns with hi cap mags, he had to have copies of one of those documents on file to release the mags or they would fine him and possibly revoke his liscense. Just one more hoop he has to have his clients jump through in order to provide service. I thought it was a bunch of crap considering I can go online and buy 30rd AR mags for $15 a pop. He wasn't real happy about the situation either, considering I've been doing buiseness with his store for quite a few years now.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2007, 04:02:11 PM »
Well, the gun-grabbers can't get the legislation they want passed through Congress.  So, they go through the bureaucracy.  

This comes from the top dogs in the BATF.  If memory serves, the policies adopted by the bureau to carry out its duties are seldom subject to congressional oversight.  The only way to successfully thwart such bureaucratic bullying is to challenge it in court, which is prohibitively expensive for small gun-shop owners.

The best recourse for concerned gun-owners is to make certain that people are elected to government who will appoint only people sympathetic to the second amendment to head up such agencies as the BATF.

If just half of the gun owners in the U.S. were to suddenly join the NRA the government would be shaken to its foundations.  The halls of Congress would be bathed in liberal sweat.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2007, 06:24:14 PM »
I'm low on .30-06.   Meant to grab some at the gun show, but missed it unfortunately.
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