Russkies own North Pole

[MoeRon]

That would have gone over real well if Neil Armstrong claimed the moon as US territory.  By the way, who gets the South Pole?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by MoeRon
That would have gone over real well if Neil Armstrong claimed the moon as US territory.  By the way, who gets the South Pole?

Now - Americans. Amundsen-Scott station.

Antarctic is declared "no one's land" by the UN, but Australia, NZ, Chilie, Denmark (!!!) and, I could forget it, some other countries claim "sectors" up to the South Pole (where Americans already settled and sit smiling northwards). Needless to say that Russians have chosen the most suitable place, where noone else wants to live, and built a Vostok station at Pole of Frost, where temperature goes down to -90C.

Central Antarctic is probably even more useless then that proposed oil fields on Arctic shelf underwater: 3 km of ice to reach soil is probably too much until we'll melt it and flood Europe and South Asia. Anyway according to current estimations it will take several thousand years to melt Antarctic ice even if we'll manage to move that dead continent to the Tropics, so - don;t worry about dividing Antarctic natural resources. It's probably cheaper to excavate for Helium isotopes at the Moon.

[68ROX]

BTW: Boroda

I have MANY Russian friends, and have a great deal of respect for them, (as I do for you).

I am one of those goofy "Amateur Radio" operators who have communicated with Soviet/Russian citizens going back to 1980.  (Identifiable by the odd looking wire and alumunum antennas at their location.)

I listened to Radio Moscow in the 1970's and not only saw through the propaganda as a kid, but understood that those people would see the world differently if they were free to travel the world and see what other people and cultures where REALLY like....for GOOD and for BAD.

In the old days, the Soviet Regeim allowed "hams" to only say their call signs and give a reception report.  Soviet Hams who said any other information dissapeared from the airwaves.

Since then, it has been GREAT to make friendships with Russian radio afficianatos from all Oblasts.  We exchange food recepies, talk about our kids and grandchildren, and hope for a better world away from Oppenheimer's Evil Toy.

I have communicated with Russian radio operators many times on 14 mHz and have had many conversations muddled by the Aurora of communicating "over the pole"....(sounds like gurgling water in the background).

One friend, from Minsk, talked about Chernobyl, and how it had adversly caused he and his family problems.

When you get on the radio, or the internet, the world becomes a lot smaller than it used to be when Americans dug nuclear bomb shelters in their back yards and saw movies in school about what to do in case of a nuclear war.

Russian citizens are no different than the American people.  We all work hard.  Try and make a better life for our children and hope for a better world for our grandchildren.

Our governments and leaders may have different agendas, but our day to day life is no different.

I grew up in the 1960's, and people here thought the world could end at any moment to nuclear war.  My children have no fear of that.  We have all come a long way.  Will my grandchild have the same benifit?

I hope YOURS does.

Politics whithers in the face of peoples who can sit at a table and talk about a decent future.

<> My friend.

68ROX
Bruce

[Viking]

Unlike the North Pole which is nothing more than a large ice sheet, the South Pole is actually situated on a landmass.

Several nations have territories on the Antarctic continent:


Territory, Claimant, Claim limits, Date

Adelie Land,  France, 142¡ã2¡äE to 136¡ã11¡äE, 1924

Argentine Antarctica,  Argentina, 25¡ãW to 74¡ãW, 1943

Australian Antarctic Territory,  Australia 160¡ãE to 142¡ã2¡äE and 136¡ã11¡äE to 44¡ã38¡äE, 1933

Ant¨¢rtica Chilena Province, Chile, 53¡ãW to 90¡ãW, 1940

British Antarctic Territory, United Kingdom, 20¡ãW to 80¡ãW, 1908

Dronning Maud Land, Norway, 44¡ã38¡äE to 20¡ãW, 1939

Peter I Island, Norway, 68¡ã50¡äS, 90¡ã35¡äW, 1929

Ross Dependency, New Zealand, 150¡ãW to 160¡ãE, 1923


Dennmark does not claim any territories in Antarctica.

[Viking]

A map of the territories on Antarctica and all the various scientific bases there. Russia looks to have 5 bases there, so I don’t know what Boroda is griping about.

[balance1]

but if putin moves is then what happens to santa!?!

[Viking]

Santa’s from Finland, not the North Pole.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2694015368011876450

[Tango]

Originally posted by Viking
Santa’s from Finland, not the North Pole.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2694015368011876450

So then the Fins go to war with Russia?

[lazs2]

the soviets invented the north pole it is only fitting that they own it.

lazs

[straffo]

Originally posted by Boroda

BTW, did anyone here read Frank Herbert's (author of "Dune") first novel? It was named "Dragon in the Sea" or "XXI Century Sub". It was written in late-50s, and only 40 years later they really discovered oil on Novaya Zemlya con-shef

I'm currently reading it ,it's not his best book.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Vad
Why do you think so?

Right now according international law any country can claim 200 miles economic zone around coastline but can increase this zone if they prove that it's part of continental shelves. Exactly what Putin is trying to do.

Once again, we don't claim that this is our territory, we want to include it into our economic  zone! Feel the difference.

And why he is an idiot?

I see you addressed 1/2 of my post.   This tells me one thing, and we all know what it is.  

Why on Earth does the Russian Mafia need an Arctic Climate to gain ground it has already stolen from it's own people?    Are they gonna steal from Igloo's, Seals, and Polar Bears?

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Boroda
Putin's attempt to declare Arctic as a Russian property is quite brave, but, unfortunately, we have seen national borders move several times in last 100 years... I hope that Russia, as the only Empire in human history built by collective effort of many nations that still coexist an cooperate without "colonial" policy will survive until XXII century, but instead of USCR with cities on Mars and uranium mines on Venus we'll have to keep torturing our own planet...

Coexist?   Ask East Germany, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Bulgaria, former Yugoslavia, former Czechoslovakia and Romania about that.   If you think they "happily coexisted" you're off of your rocker.  After the "COLONIAL ACQUISITION and OCCUPATION" by USSR Forces after both WWI (Poland) and WWII, there was still "no happy coexisting".  

co·ex·ist - verb.   To exist separately or independently but peaceably, often while remaining rivals or adversaries: Although their ideologies differ greatly, the two great powers must coexist.

There was NO PEACE, nor INDEPENDENCE.    So, please, use a different word.    Because this word was not appropriate for the "propaganda being spoken".  

Also, let's not forget the "coexisting" of Katyn.

[Viking]

Masherbrum, I agree with most of what you say, except the part about Yugoslavia; they were never under Soviet control or occupation. The Yugoslavian resistance movements liberated much of the country themselves with some support from the Red Army. The rest of Yugoslavia still under Axis control surrendered to the British when Germany capitulated. Yugoslavia never really saw eye-to-eye with Moscow and their relationship throughout the Cold War was strained but peaceably.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Viking
Yugoslavia never really saw eye-to-eye with Moscow and their relationship throughout the Cold War was strained but peaceably.

Agree, but I included them because they were a Warsaw Pact" country.   But, you are correct.   <> G

[Viking]

Actually Yugoslavia was the only European communist country not a signatory of the Warsaw Pact. Yugoslavia was a neutral, non-aligned country, but with obvious ties and sympathies to the communist Eastern Block. <>