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Offline halcyon

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« on: June 29, 2007, 02:26:34 AM »
Cutting straight to business.

Before I get flamed through the floor, I have no problem with the concept of ENY.
I may not like it sometimes, but in the end I don't personally have a problem with it being there.

THAT said...here is my gripe. (and yes this has been addressed but MAN it's still annoying)



You have a breakdown of 65 Bish, 46 Knights, and 44 Rooks, making a total arena population of 155. Imagine 155 people standing in your backyard...that's a lot of people.
Of all those people, only 108 are actually playing the game. That means that 47 people are just sitting there...doing nothing. That's 30% of the arena population not doing squat.
Break it down further into inactive players for each side. Bish has 18 people not playing (27% of their pop), Knights 16 (34%), and Rooks 13 (29%).

Because of the 18 people (only one of the factors for ENY here) not doing anything except sitting in the tower on the Bish, they have an ENY of 5.7 which is disabling 13% of the vehicle list for the other 47 people that are actually playing.
Why? Why should afk people in the tower affect the ENY values? The whole concept of ENY is to restrict so-called "better" aircraft based on country populations...but what good are pilots if they sit in the tower.

What if out of the 65 Bish from that snapshot, 64 were in the tower and one guy was out there flying? He still has to deal with ENY restrictions, even if his plane is the ONLY one in the air.

Keep the ENY, okay fine...but jeez don't punish active pilots by including ones that forgot to set their alarm when mission time came in the total country population.
In that picture, the total country population should be the 47 Bish actually flying.
This was late at night when the arena pops were low, but it was a lot worse earlier on around 7-8pm CST. Almost 40% of the Knights were sitting in the hanger, doing nothing. And that's fine too...I don't care if pilots shuck their duty of fighting for their country, just DON'T count them as the fighting force.

The possible fix?
Log idle players out after a set amount of time. Maybe 10-15 minutes.
If you haven't moved your mouse or touched a key in 10-15 minutes then maybe you should have logged out before you went afk. Fortunately, such a said system would do this for you, keeping the ENY balance fair.

Okay I'm done.
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Offline Oleg

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 02:34:19 AM »
If you count only ppl in flight, bish has 43.5% and had to be punished even more. Every country have more or less same relative number of inactive players, it dont affect ENY much.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2007, 02:41:13 AM »
LOL try being a ROOK for a while, we deal wtih ENY on a regular basis.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2007, 02:55:11 AM »
ENY only affects a handful of planes doesnt it?

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 03:04:43 AM »
<<<<---in the percentage afk sitting in tower at the time..:aok
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 03:47:31 AM »
Seeing as how they were Bish, they were probably sitting in the tower waiting for their horde mission to launch.
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Offline halcyon

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2007, 03:54:57 AM »
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Originally posted by Oleg
If you count only ppl in flight, bish has 43.5% and had to be punished even more. Every country have more or less same relative number of inactive players, it dont affect ENY much.


You completely missed the point of the post and focused only on the actual numbers in the screenshot.
Forget the numbers...they change. There are many days where a country has an in-flight number lower then the other two countries, yet has the highest total population. This is where ENY becomes a hamper for active pilots vs afk/inactive pilots.


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ENY only affects a handful of planes doesnt it?


There are 87 planes, vehicles, and watercraft in the game.
The first 12 have an ENY value of 5, which is %13.
If ENY goes above 10 that's another large chunk out of the pool.
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2007, 03:57:44 AM »
Yeah but its just the dweeby planes.. tons of other good rides

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007, 03:58:54 AM »
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Yeah but its just the dweeby planes.. tons of other good rides


Unfortunately Nilsen over half the game population fly the "dweeby" planes, and the ENY affects them first. :)
There are lots of great rides between 5 and 10 that get locked out frequently from ENY, and some more between 10-15.

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 04:01:25 AM »
bingo!

Conclusion: eny works :D

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 04:08:43 AM »
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bingo!

Conclusion: eny works :D


No! :D

I'm just upset when I can't up an F4U-1D, F6F-5, P-47-D40, or a Spit 8. These are the four that usually get locked out for me from ENY. I don't even touch the ENY 5 stuff.
Usually though I'm in a Ki-84, and when that gets locked out I have to go for my C.205. Of course, when the ENY hits 21 there goes that plus the Osti's.

All that I'm left with at that point is the P-47-D25, and when the ENY hits 23 I log out because the rest of the aircraft selection isn't enjoyable to me.

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 04:21:30 AM »
Still lots of nice planes to choose from
When eny hits 30 you should start to worry ;)

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 04:26:18 AM »
somthing about NIlsen's last 3 post make me laugh :lol
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2007, 04:26:41 AM »
Is that actually people just sitting in the tower doing nothing for extended periods of time, or is it the natural "churn" of guys getting shot down, selecting an airfield, aircraft, loadout, etc?  They way guys furball until they die, it wouldn't surprise me if at any one time a big chunk of the player base is "dead" and in the process of launching again.

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 04:40:45 AM »
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somthing about NIlsen's last 3 post make me laugh :lol


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