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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2007, 01:45:14 PM »
Today's attack happened because the terrorists panicked.  Their main attacks failed / were stopped, so they hastily put together a plan to try to do something before they could be tracked down and caught by the police.
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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2007, 04:03:24 PM »


Both the London and Glasgow attacks have all the hallmarks of failures due to lack of training, both look like the work of cells with extremely limited knowledge of how to actually manufacture and detonate explosive devices. My guess would be that these men were organized into cells at the local Mosque level but did not receive training abroad, which is a huge mercy. The Glasgow attack in particular was obviously an attempt at a martyrdom mission and had they known how to prepare and detonate a fuel/fertilizer bomb they would have likely killed scores in the main terminal building. Reports are coming in that 17 hrs prior to the London bombings, a post on Jihadi internet site called Al Hesbah warned that London would be bombed particularly in "response" to the Rushdie knighting (you naughty Brits, they warned you what would happen if you knighted him, but you just don't listen, do you?)

Anyway, this is something that Britain in particular is probably going to have to get used to, my hope is that while they have nothing that will squelch the zeal of the would be shaheeds who will carry out these operations, and no ability to remove the threat entirely, that the security forces would continue to be effective in ensuring that the quality of training and equipment remains low and that the majority of the really ambitious attempts continue to be detected and broken up.

Sadly though, as in most of Europe, all the Jihadis have to do to win is continue to immigrate and massively out-reproduce the indigenous population. In a hundred years, Europe will have become "Eurabia" without the need to fight a war of conquest.

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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2007, 04:37:59 PM »
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Anyway, this is something that Britain in particular is probably going to have to get used to


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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2007, 05:27:45 PM »
we just need to take the gloves off and kill as many of these a-holes as possible.  i say no spot in the middle east should stop glowing for 300 years.
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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2007, 06:55:47 PM »
the terrorists got what they wanted, the media are rolling out their expert talking heads for 24/7 non stop coverage.

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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2007, 08:31:19 PM »
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Remember using nails as a weapon is not new. Think beehive round in 105 mm artillery and tank guns in Viet Nam as well as beehive rounds in the "thumper" (40mm grenade launcher).


Iirc, those aren't nails. A more accurate term would be flechettes which are designed to fly through the air. Nails will rapidly lose their energy in a home made bomb like this. You would still have to be fairly close for them to do any serious damage.

Don't ever underestimate a nail gun. Nails protruding from your body parts hurts. :O
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2007, 09:15:48 PM »
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Sadly though, as in most of Europe, all the Jihadis have to do to win is continue to immigrate and massively out-reproduce the indigenous population. In a hundred years, Europe will have become "Eurabia" without the need to fight a war of conquest.

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It is okay, we had the IRA, it is nothing we cannot handle.


true, and those guys were actually good at this sort of thing....

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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2007, 09:35:56 PM »
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Iirc, those aren't nails. A more accurate term would be flechettes which are designed to fly through the air. Nails will rapidly lose their energy in a home made bomb like this. You would still have to be fairly close for them to do any serious damage.

Don't ever underestimate a nail gun. Nails protruding from your body parts hurts. :O


Nails propelled by a large explosion will not be doing minor damage as they will be traveiling far in excess of what a nail gun can do. They won't travel like a bullet that's true. You can stand close if you want. I would rather be about a klick or so from them.
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2007, 10:03:36 PM »
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Breed for jesus is it? When the Moors ruled spain and the Mediterranean , they brought culture, prosperity, and intially were tolerant to the areas they ruled whereas the rest christian europe was mired in the dark ages...


So what have they done in the LAST 700 or so years? Oh yah, stay exactly where they were;)
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2007, 03:05:17 AM »
sadly this is what the world is coming to in israel its day to day but people dont mind it much since 2nd antifada the explosives commenly used by suicide bus bombers where a mix of a c4 comopund rat poisen and nails you can imagine the damage i even have a vidieo tapped bombing where the cahrred head of the bomber was all that was left. Hopefully this was a set of freak incidents by a small faction and they will all get caught hopefully!

big to the poeple of london for being brave in this time of hardhship its hard but life goes on and from experience i know that its all up to perseverence and hope and a dab of caution!

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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2007, 06:03:45 AM »
Interesting,were was the war on terrorism,when we were getting bombed in the seventies,eighties,and Nineties.


   Anyway you can't have a war on terrorism.Terrorism is a Tactic!
     
   It's a deliberatly vague phrase to allow you to go to war ad infinitem.


  You fight terrorism using your intelligence services,and infiltrating terrorists cells,Not by going to war.

   What would have happened if we had countered Northern Irish Terrorists by marching in to southern Ireland...see what I mean,not intelligent at all,in fact counter productive.


 GET USED TO IT? ..lol I've lived with terrorism since I was Nine.;)
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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2007, 01:04:08 PM »
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Nails propelled by a large explosion will not be doing minor damage as they will be traveiling far in excess of what a nail gun can do. They won't travel like a bullet that's true. You can stand close if you want. I would rather be about a klick or so from them.


Nails won't fly straight. They start to tumble very quickly even when initially fired straight, as in from a nail gun. Because they tumble, they will lose energy and lethality quickly. Unless you are talking a 16P nail or larger, nails don't have the weight to hold their energy for long either.

I'm not saying to stand next to the bomb, that would be just dumb. Normal nails are a far cry from military style flechettes though in terms of lethality.

These guys should have used steel ball bearings if they wanted maximum damage.
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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2007, 01:07:20 PM »
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the explosives commenly used by suicide bus bombers where a mix of a c4 comopund rat poisen and nails you can imagine the damage i even have a vidieo tapped bombing where the cahrred head of the bomber was all that was left.


Inside an enclosed area, coated with rat poison, and propelled by a decent explosive, nails would be quite nasty.
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2007, 02:09:22 PM »
Given the area they chose for the blast, the damage would have been significant as well as the injuries. They were not in an area that they had to cover a big distance with the explosion, they were in a people packed environment, the same that makes market bombs in Baghdad so horrific.
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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2007, 02:35:37 PM »
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Nails won't fly straight. They start to tumble very quickly even when initially fired straight, as in from a nail gun. Because they tumble, they will lose energy and lethality quickly. Unless you are talking a 16P nail or larger, nails don't have the weight to hold their energy for long either.
 


i'd be more worried about penny nails than anything else, your more likely to get cut by the head of the nail than the point.

i've been hit by richocheted framing nails, it didnt hit hard enough to even bruise, its not like it didnt hurt.
i imagine being hit by a bunch of them while there still hot from being in a explosion would be most unpleasant, even if it doesnt do any serious damage.


of course, just using readily available BBs or ball bearings would work better...but nobody accused terrorists of being particularily smart.