Author Topic: what fighter do you say is the best? (Read 8807 times)

MotorOil1 · « **Reply #150 on:** October 04, 2007, 04:01:33 PM »

Great comments Sax and WW. That's what I'm looking for.

I'm stuck given the tactics I use regularly. I'd hate to get a Tempest or F4U4 under 170mph. Hate to get any plane under that as you become a target at those speeds in the MA. I largely suspected the F4U4 was more manoeuvrable at any speed.

I usually stick to the BZ type tactics and generally in the MA, the fight is 80% below 10k and generally below 5k. Which in turn is probably why I've preferred the Tempest. Given these tactics and the gun package I've been quite successful.

So far in the few flights I've made in the U4 I've been unable to make a clean escape using my usual tactics. In a couple of situations I've been forced into a turn fight with a plane I'm not that familiar with. I think I'll take some practice runs in the F4UD and C before jumping back in to the U4, figure out the best speeds to drop the flaps and pull hard on the stick.

redman555 · « **Reply #151 on:** October 04, 2007, 06:27:50 PM »

not tryin to b rude about the ppl that fly em, but LA LAs r kinda noob planes, i thought like first 2 planes noobs should fly when they join is LA, and nikim LA is way to easy to kill ppl with

-bigbobCH

dedalos · « **Reply #152 on:** October 04, 2007, 07:37:16 PM »

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Originally posted by redman555
not tryin to b rude about the ppl that fly em, but LA LAs r kinda noob planes, i thought like first 2 planes noobs should fly when they join is LA, and nikim LA is way to easy to kill ppl with

-bigbobCH

Grab one and come get me. I ll be in a p40. Lets see how easy the LALA is.

Urchin · « **Reply #153 on:** October 04, 2007, 09:14:47 PM »

I'd go with the La-7 personally, unless the F4U-4 was significantly improved by the last FM revision (the one that absolutely nuetered the 190s).

The 109K-4 almost gets my vote. In fact, I wouldn't hesistate to take a K-4 against an F4U-4 at all. I've been on both sides of that one, and if the 109 can get the F4U to bleed off its E pulling for a shot the fight is over - the F4U will never regain equal footing. However, it is also my opinion that the La-7 does everything just a little bit better than the K-4, so I'll go with that.

SgtPappy · « **Reply #154 on:** October 04, 2007, 09:30:38 PM »

I've rarely had any trouble against a K-4 while in a 4-Hog, though the 109 pilots are few and even fewer are awesome.

Also, the point of the duel is to get on the other guy's six, not to shake him off if he's already parked there. If that happens, it's assumed you've lost regardless of aircraft... but that doesn't mean you've gotta give up.

dedalos · « **Reply #155 on:** October 05, 2007, 10:09:20 AM »

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I'd go with the La-7 personally, unless the F4U-4 was significantly improved by the last FM revision (the one that absolutely nuetered the 190s).

Yes, F4Us have been changed to be Spitfires. Maybe a bad copy paste of the two flight models but I would rather be in a F4U-1D than a Spit 9 now days.

SkyRock · « **Reply #156 on:** October 05, 2007, 10:29:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I'd go with the La-7 personally, unless the F4U-4 was significantly improved by the last FM revision (the one that absolutely nuetered the 190s).

The 109K-4 almost gets my vote. In fact, I wouldn't hesistate to take a K-4 against an F4U-4 at all. I've been on both sides of that one, and if the 109 can get the F4U to bleed off its E pulling for a shot the fight is over - the F4U will never regain equal footing. However, it is also my opinion that the La-7 does everything just a little bit better than the K-4, so I'll go with that.

4-hog kiks both the 109k-4 and la-7

Fruda · « **Reply #157 on:** October 05, 2007, 12:25:53 PM »

I see your F4U-4 and raise you a Spitfire Mk. XIV.

The XIV is a wonderful aircraft. It's fast, it climbs like a rocket, it has wonderful rudder and aileron performance, it turns well, and it has a lethal guns package.

Its only true con is short internal fuel range, though the slipper tank mostly makes up for that. It's a great turn fighter (in the right hands, as it takes a lot of throttle and flap management), it's a great vertical fighter, and it's one hell of a cherrypicker.

The only aircraft I'd take over the XIV is a properly modeled Ta-152... And with that said, the current "ghetto" 152 we have is still a hell of a ride.

Fruda · « **Reply #158 on:** October 05, 2007, 12:28:19 PM »

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Yes, F4Us have been changed to be Spitfires. Maybe a bad copy paste of the two flight models but I would rather be in a F4U-1D than a Spit 9 now days.

Are you serious? I've shot down Corsairs with ease in my Spitfire Mk. IX as of late...

...Maybe, just maybe, you're trying to fly it like an arcade "sim", and less like an actual Spitfire where you need to manage your throttle and flaps?

I can easily turn with (and out-turn) an F4U-1A in a Spit IX with low throttle and flaps, even when the Corsair has his flaps and gear down.

Widewing · « **Reply #159 on:** October 05, 2007, 12:49:07 PM »

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Are you serious? I've shot down Corsairs with ease in my Spitfire Mk. IX as of late...

...Maybe, just maybe, you're trying to fly it like an arcade "sim", and less like an actual Spitfire where you need to manage your throttle and flaps?

I can easily turn with (and out-turn) an F4U-1A in a Spit IX with low throttle and flaps, even when the Corsair has his flaps and gear down.

You haven't run into a really good F4U driver yet... I out-turn Zeros with an F6F... That's because the Zero driver wasn't very good. It's all about pilot skill. Until you fly against someone of equal skill, any comparison is subjective.

My regards,

Widewing

dedalos · « **Reply #160 on:** October 05, 2007, 01:33:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Fruda
Are you serious? I've shot down Corsairs with ease in my Spitfire Mk. IX as of late...

...Maybe, just maybe, you're trying to fly it like an arcade "sim", and less like an actual Spitfire where you need to manage your throttle and flaps?

I can easily turn with (and out-turn) an F4U-1A in a Spit IX with low throttle and flaps, even when the Corsair has his flaps and gear down.

Maybe just maybe you still don't have a clue about this game. Did your spitfire kill the F4U or did you kill the F4U pilot.

You can teach me how to fly Spits anytime

AKoLButt · « **Reply #161 on:** October 05, 2007, 03:45:27 PM »

Who needs a Plane I was in a hanger standing with my 9mm last night and just killing people with a hand gun as they popped up!

SteveBailey · « **Reply #162 on:** October 05, 2007, 03:49:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Fruda
Are you serious? I've shot down Corsairs with ease in my Spitfire Mk. IX as of late...

...Maybe, just maybe, you're trying to fly it like an arcade "sim", and less like an actual Spitfire where you need to manage your throttle and flaps?

I can easily turn with (and out-turn) an F4U-1A in a Spit IX with low throttle and flaps, even when the Corsair has his flaps and gear down.

Fruda · « **Reply #163 on:** October 06, 2007, 03:09:53 PM »

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You haven't run into a really good F4U driver yet... I out-turn Zeros with an F6F... That's because the Zero driver wasn't very good. It's all about pilot skill. Until you fly against someone of equal skill, any comparison is subjective.

My regards,

Widewing

I've run into some pretty tough opponents in the basic Corsair models, and some really tough ones in the -1C. But none of them have been a huge problem when I'm in a Spitfire Mk. IX or Mk. XIV.

I can say that I've had some really tough fights with F4U-4s over the years, though. I can also say that I've made plenty of mistakes in these fights (though who hasn't?).

Even still, I can't imagine being unable to defeat a -4 pilot of the same skill level (but I'm not saying I'd never lose) in a Spitfire Mk. XIV, or even a Mk. IX. Like you said, it's all about pilot skill, and I have a lot of hours in Spitfires (and even moreso for 109s). And as for the A6M2, I've yet to have anybody out-turn (or even turn with) me, save for other A6M2s. Even so, there aren't too many Zero pilots who really know how to use it.

And just last night, I lost almost twenty points by losing a Spitfire Mk. XIV to two Tempests up at 11,000 feet. I would've been fine, as I had Tempest #1 running away (I imagine I gave him a pilot wound, as I sprayed the canopy with .50s), and Tempest #2 wasn't faring so well... But, #2 turned back to face me for a head-on, and we started firing. His shots only pinged me, and I got his oil --- but he turned right into my left wing when I was rolling hard right, and for some reason I got the damage from the ram. Oh well, such is life.

That aside, I suppose I'll try a few flights in the F4U-4 and form my own opinions about it. I've had great flights in the XIV, and I hope I can match them in the -4. But as far as the basic models go, there are still plenty of ways to beat them in a Spitfire, or a 109, or a Mustang, or... Well, I think you see where I'm going with this.

Again, like you said, it's all about skill, really.

Widewing · « **Reply #164 on:** October 06, 2007, 03:20:21 PM »

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I've run into some pretty tough opponents in the basic Corsair models, and some really tough ones in the -1C. But none of them have been a huge problem when I'm in a Spitfire Mk. IX or Mk. XIV.

That's one great thing about the Training Arena. You can fly long, multiple merge engagements without the worry of getting shot down.

I'm in the TA Tuesday thru Thursday evenings, 9 PM to 11 PM Eastern time. Drop in and we'll play some with the Spits and F4Us. It's a great place to get experience pushing planes to the limit without the consequence of having to re-up if a mistake is made. Stop in if you can make it, you'll have fun.

My regards,

Widewing