forget gun control...

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by McFarland
It isn't that we don't want to wear them, it's that we don't want the govment to MAKE us wear them. If we let them tell us to wear them, then next they'll make us get rid of our guns, next they'll make us not cuss, next they'll make us only talk good aboot them. Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile.

Thank you for proving my point.

Even though you KNOW the law is there to protect you, because the government made the law, you don't want to follow it. And like I said in my other post there is a big differance between regulating something like public safety where it concerns driving a vehicle which you do NOT have the right to do vs owning a firearm which you DO have the right to do.

There is NO test to own a firearm because it is a RIGHT granted under the Constitution

There is a test for driving a car on public roads and laws that govern the use and safe operation of that car. If you break those laws then you get fined.

As for all those people that have won cases about not wearing seat belts, I'd like to see some proof of that. I have 3 good friends of mine that have been ticketed for that very reason over the last six months or so, and all of them thought they could get it tossed out. All three of them ended up having to pay the fine.

Oh as far as you saying the government can't force you to protect yourself. Your right but the government can make you pay for not doing it. I've written my share of tickets to people because I'd go onboard their boat and they wouldn't have enough life jackets for everyone onboard. That's a violation of safe boating practice and I have fined people for it. Guess that makes me one of the bad guys huh? Well I'll be a bad guy then, because I'd rather write a ticket and have that person learn an easy leason and fix the problem than have to fish a dead body out of the water. I've done that too many times.

The fact is people are 9 times out of 10 to damn stupid for their own good. I know, I've seen it. The entire point of this thread proves it.

[john9001]

if the law says driving a privilege, maybe it's time to change the law.

Florida and Pennsylvania have both overturned the motorcycle helmet laws, but the nannys are trying to reinstate them.

[vorticon]

what about teh debbul government telling us where we can and can't throw our trash? if i want to throw my coffee cup on the side of the road or any other public place that i pay taxes to support, who are they to stop me!

[wrag]

Originally posted by Hornet33
The ONLY rights you have are spelled out in the Bill of Rights. I've read them and no where in it was driving listed.

Now way back when, when cars first started coming onto the scene in large numbers, the local, state, and finally the federal governments started to regulate the proper use and safety of motor vehicles. Why did this happen way back then?? Because people were dying and the rest of the populace told their elected officials to do something about it. Laws were written and passed and here we are today.

I suppose you guys think the government regulating air travel is a bad idea too huh? How about food, or drugs? Naw we don't need the government to mandate that companies meet federal standards for safety on their products and enact laws for the proper use of those safety features on public roads or in the air, or your local resturant or drug store. The people that own those companies would NEVER risk YOUR life for a profit would they??

There is a BIG differance between regulating your rights and regulating safety for the public good. No differance than having to take a Hunters Safety course to get a hunting liscense. It's required for me to hunt, but in NO WAY infringes upon my RIGHT to own a firearm.

But here's the real question. What are you going to tell the judge when you go into court to fight your ticket for not wearing a seat belt? That the law infringes upon your rights? Man let me know when your court date is because I want to be there for that one. The reaction from the judge should be priceless....right before he finds you guilty and fines your stupid butts.

Actually that was only one question I had concerning this thread. Here's anouther one. Why in the world would you not want to wear a seat belt or motorcycle helmet? Just because the law says you have too? WHAAAAAAA...they say I have to wear this stuff. When my head is smashed in and I'm on life support and being fed through a tube, I'll show them!!!!

Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!

From your reply I get the impression that you are missing the POINT?

The matter isn't about saftey or anything of that nature.

The question is where do the REGULATORS of our saftey for our own good STOP?

BTW I wear seat belts because I've been in one or two accidents.  I also prefer to wear a helmet for the same reason when I ride.

WHAT I DO NOT WANT is a regulation telling me I must do either.

WHY?   try reading or rereading my earlier post and think upon what is contained there.

Or do you want to wait until the government decides YOU must be protected from yourself regarding something you consider a RIGHT?

[Hornet33]

So lets just get rid of ALL laws then. According to you guys the government has no buiesness telling anyone how to conduct themselves in society.

You tell me, what laws do we need and what laws can we do without? How about exposing yourself in public? It should be my right to go out naked in public if I want to. I'm not hurting anyone else by doing it, so why is it agaist the law? How about jaywalking? I have the right to walk anywhere I please. If I want to be stupid and walk out in the middle of traffic I should be allowed to, and if you hit me with your car it's your fault because you hit me.

I don't agree with everything the government does. However I do believe that seatbelt and helmet laws are pretty straight forward and are common sense laws. Seatbelts are installed in all new cars because the government says they will be. The government also says that since those safety devices are installed in all new cars that if you want to drive on public streets, roads, and highways, you will use them. OK fine by me, makes sense. They save lives.

[lazs2]

hornet.. are you saying that if I don't wear a seatbelt then I would need to give up my medical insurance?

I have as good a insurance as you have... maybe if you eat fat foods or drink booze you need to sign a "do not recesitate" waver?   why should I pay for your bad habits?  

I wear a seatbelt about 50% or more of the time... in my hot rods.. I am a grown man and I evaluate my own risk and pay my own way.    

What is your test?  that anything.. any activity is a privlidge and can be taken away if it causes someone some expense?   skydiving?  swimming?  drinking? hiking? camping?  motorcycles?

I think that you wearing a helmet and a seatbelt is probly a good idea and... so far as I am concerened... it it strictly your business.   You are welcome to do so. n  or not.

people who say that driving is a privilige even tho we build the roads and payed for them are correct of course.

It matters not what is right... if you try to take back the roads or even avoid paying for them you will have the government take away your freedom and property...if you resist you will be killed by the government... with the cheering and "serves em right" of your fellows who believe that they have the right to make you do things for "your own good".

might makes right.   the government has the might.. it gives them the right to dictate what is a right and what is a privilege.   It has nothing to do with what is right or wrong but who has the power.

I am just saying... if we are wussy enough to let em make us buckle up... we are wussy enough to let em decide how much fat we are allowed to have in our diet or whatever... we are going backwards instead of forwards.

I am dissapointed in my fellow Americans who seem capable of accepting any amount of government intervention in their personal lives "for their own good"

it is disgusting and disheartening.

lazs

[john9001]

Originally posted by Hornet33
If I want to be stupid and walk out in the middle of traffic I should be allowed to, and if you hit me with your car it's your fault because you hit me.

why would it be my fault? You put yourself in a dangerous position.

before you talk of laws, you must talk of crime and what is a crime. To me there are only two crimes, the crime of violence and the crime of theft, everything else is feel good nanny laws.

If you do not cause harm to anyone or take what is not yours, you should not be burdened by tens of thousands of stupid laws.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by eagl
And for anyone who says "well, I'm insured so I should be able to do whatever I want", I call BS.  Nobody but Bill Gates (and others with a similiar amount of money) has enough insurance to cover a lifetime of assisted living following brain injuries caused by not wearing a helmet or seatbelts.  That means that after the insurance runs out, someone needing that kind of help is either on the street or suckling at the public fund teat.
 

On the other hand, there are many, many more situations that have the same result. as you said.. "Nobody but Bill Gates" has the ability after a certain point.
That includes all people with crippling and long term illness, which is much more frequent than anything to do with seatbelts or helmets.
Watersports aquires high numbers of accidents that are very serious each year. Should we ban them or take away the choice?
On the job construction accidents are very frequent. A lot of these are to people with NO insurance. A good percentage of these are to people who are not even legal citizens. Want to Ban or overly govern construction?
The list could go on and on............and it will as long as the U.S. public allows our rights to be chiseled at one chip at a time. Check the similarities out to what is happening here in our country to those that have ended up at the hands and whims of their government. That`s how it is done...one chip at a time.
What is going to happen when they take away or overly govern something that is of great interest to each individual?
Freedom and freedom of choice does not get taken away all in one big swoop. It is slow.......but very, very deliberate. You have to open your eyes to see it though. If you don`t, and it continues, you just might wake up after it is too late.......................if it is not as of now.

[lazs2]

of course.. politicians are immune from seatbelt laws.  you do not have to wear a seatbelt in taxi or a limmo.

I wear seatbelts in my Healey..  I do not have to.  the law says that if the car did not come equipped with them then I don't need to wear em.

My el camino has lap belts.. I wear em.. they don't bother me and the car is scary fast like the healey.. I drive it hard.

the lincoln has those horrible 3 point belts that, for me, completely destroy the driving experiance...  anyone who has taken a trip with the 3 point belts and then without em realizes how uncomfortable they are and how much they destroy an otherwise enjoyable experiance... but then.. most new cars destroy the enjoyment of a trip.  I don't wear em in the lincoln...  

I don't wear em in my girlfriends s10.   I wear em when I ride with other people in their cars which means...  I ride in other peoples cars maybe once a year when it absolutely can't be avoided.   I don't like other peoples cars much anyway.... I don't like other people driving me either.   no way would I let a woman drive me if I had any other choice.

Airports are the same... so what if we have a little "inconvieniece" to be "safer"?   I don't feel safer and... it has ruined air travel for me.

Air travel used to be fun and maybe even an adventure.. now it is like watching some black and white WWII movie with the nazis at a french train station.   the "security" has taken all the joy out of air travel.

so where do you "for your own good" sheeple draw the line?  is there even such a thing as a line you won't cross when it comes to security over freedom?

Our founders dumped a bunch of tea.. over something pretty silly.. I am glad they did.   They had the guts to draw the line and say... "no further".

we don't.   we buckle up.. we even police ourselves... we do the governments work for em.

lazs

[Angus]

Hornet:
"The fact is people are 9 times out of 10 to damn stupid for their own good. I know, I've seen it. The entire point of this thread proves it."

Say that to Lazs again

(9 times)

[Sandman]

Originally posted by john9001
bring back prohibition, the moonshiners need the income.

We have prohibition. It's called the drug war.

[bj229r]

We had a thread or 2 like this about motorcycle helmets some time ago---the "you're an idiot and the law is for your own good" segment ganged us no-helmet types like frat boys on a drunk chick:)

[AKIron]

Originally posted by bj229r
We had a thread or 2 like this about motorcycle helmets some time ago---the "you're an idiot and the law is for your own good" segment ganged us no-helmet types like frat boys on a drunk chick:)

I think we've had more than 2 or 3 threads like this over the years. When I rode a lot, 60's and 70's, helmets were the law in Texas, not Kalifornia. If I'm correct, the roles are now reversed and to lazs I offer, nanny nanny boo boo.

[VOR]

Not wearing seatbelts or helmets is stupid, high risk behavior. Passing laws requiring people not to be stupid is even stupider and isn't exactly in the spirit of true freedom.

Both points have been made already but I wanted to chime in my support for common sense.

[McFarland]

There, a way of very simply wording what I've been trying to say all along.