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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2007, 06:41:28 PM »
Bush didn't give a full pardon, he just commuted the prison time and left the fine and probation intact. Scooter Libby will still have a conviction on his record also.

I'm not sure how this equates to it being ok to lie unless you are a democrat. /shrug
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2007, 06:50:59 PM »
The original investigation by the special prosecutor was supposed to be about tracking down the source of the leak about Valerie Plame's CIA "covert" operatiave status to the press.  (Remember the outrage of the left about Kenneth Starr's abuse of his power as special prosecutor during the Whitewater investigation?  Remember the calls for the abolishment of the law allowing the creation of special prosecutors?  Wonder what the left's stand is on this issue now?)

Rober Novak originally released the information about Valerie Plame, the non-covert covert agent.  Novak originally got the information from Richard Armitage, the number two man in the State Department behind Colin Powell.  Called to testify in the investigation, Scooter Libby could not correctly recall a conversation he supposedly had with some journalists years prior to the case.

The special prosecutor, Pat Fitzgerald, knows full well that the the "outing" of Plame wasn't actually a crime.  Even though he knew that Armitage had outed her, and that Bob Woodward claimed to have had a conversation with Walter Pincus about Plame's CIA status, a conversation that Pincus denied, the only person indicted for lying was Scooter Libby.

Why Libby?  Because Fitzgerald had to have a conviction on something in order to satisfy those on the left screaming for blood, and to salvage his own reputation.  Libby was an obvious target because of his ties to the hated Dick Cheney.

Armitage was not indicted.  Pincus wasn't indicted.  The outing of Plame turned out not to have been a crime.

Scooter Libby, a man with the respect of many sensible politicos on both sides of the aisle, and a spotless record was indicted for nothing more than having a faulty memory.

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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2007, 06:58:05 PM »
I sure am glad that the Bush administration isn't slimy like previous one was.

The respect shown for the legal system by them is quite refreshing.

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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2007, 07:10:49 PM »
seems like a lot of teeth gnashing over a President using his lawful, discretionary power to commute or reduce punishment in a case where minutia reigned, and absolutely nothing got resolved because it was a political fishing expedition from the git-go.

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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2007, 07:15:23 PM »
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Armitage was not indicted.  Pincus wasn't indicted.  The outing of Plame turned out not to have been a crime.


Not being a smartarse (but maybe a dumbarse), but why wasn't 'outing' Plame a crime?  I missed this amid all the other controversy in the news...

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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2007, 07:18:10 PM »
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So as long as you're rich you don't have to serve your jail time?

Specially if your daddy is a big oil guy whom donates to $200,000 to the Bush family's campaigns and then another $100,000 to the George Bush Presidential Library.

I guess that makes up for time served..



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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2007, 07:31:03 PM »
If outing Plame had been a crime, which it was not because she had no active covert status, Fitzgerald would have surely indicted Armitage for it.

After two years of investigation he had egg all over his face.  There was no evidence that a crime had been committed when Plame's association with the CIA had been outed.  Fitzgerald's reputation was on the line.  Somebody had to go down.  Libby was indicted because the testimony he gave to the same question over a two year period supposedly contradicted itself.  The second time he answered questions about his conversation with some reporters about Plame he responded "I don't recall."

I'm 53 years old and have had thousands of personal and political and job-related conversations over the last two years.  I shudder to think that my increasingly faulty memory was the only thing standing between me and two years in prison for "committing perjury."

The original purpose of the investigation by the special prosecutor was to determine who outed Valerie Plame.  Libby didn't do it.  That has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Armitage did do it.  That is also beyond question.  Outing Plame broke no laws, because she was no longer a covert operative.

The original purpose was abandoned when it's original investigation turned up no proof of wrongdoing.  So a target was conveniently found to salvage Fitzgerald's reputation.

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2007, 07:32:32 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2007, 07:37:50 PM »
Hey Shuckins...remember that post you made two years ago?  Yeah...neither do I.  :aok
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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2007, 07:43:29 PM »
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Guess lying is only bad if you are a dem. So much for integrity.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570081/


How quickly and conveniently you forget about all of Clintons pardons.. want a refresher?

If you're a dem, lying is considered grade school stuff.  If you really want to earn dem respect, you have to shove  secret documents  down your pants and in your socks, then have the balls to call it, and I quote: "...an honest mistake."

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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2007, 07:50:59 PM »
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left wing babble



It seems pretty much every president does it.  We just domn't want you left wing nutjobs making hay over it because you love to forget that is occurs on both side of the aisle.

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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2007, 08:05:45 PM »
Ah...Gee Mace...ya got me.

Who are you?  What were we talking about?

For that matter...who am I?



I'm SOOO CONFUSED!!!

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2007, 08:37:57 PM »
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Actually, I think it's the "I don't recall" that got libby in trouble.  He was asked something early on in the investigation, and he answered it.

Later on, they asked the same question, and he answered "I don't recall."



And since the democrats were searching deep for ANYTHING with which to put someone behind bars even if they did nothing wrong, they automatically assumed the discrepancy meant that Libby was lying.

No one has 2 IQ points to rub together really believe that Libby committed a crime.



Actually it was the lying. Actually this has nothing to do with dems. It was a rep prosecutor and judge. So stop blaming dems.
He lied to a fed prosecuter during an investigation. There was no discrepancy. The REPUBLICAN prosecutor was lied to.  He proved it in court. The only people who believe as you are republicans who think its ok for reps to lie to a federal prosecutor. I venture to say that you would be calling for a hanging if a dem lied under oath. Oh yeah, you did with Clinton:)

And for more of your leaders integrity.

Remember this:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/

"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.

"I welcome the investigation. I am absolutely confident the Justice Department will do a good job.

"I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things."

He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."
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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2007, 08:48:37 PM »
Sorry Silat, that won't wash.  The investigation was screwed up from the very beginning.

Clinton was being sued for sexual harassment.  He gave testimony about his activities and was caught committing perjury.   The investigation was about him and him alone.

Fitzgerald's investigation had no direct object other than finding out who had leaked the information about Plame.  Subsequent testimony proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Armitage leaked the information.  The lawyers defending Libby also proved that the leaking of that information was NOT a violation of the law.

The apparent "contradictions" in Libby's testimony were separated by two years of time.  Since he had no part in the outing of Plame, Libby had no reason to lie.

How many of us could honestly say that our memory wouldn't fail us under similar circumstances?

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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2007, 09:16:41 PM »
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Neo-clowns are special, and sensitive, a prison time you or I would get... is just too excessive for them, it makes them go poopy, its all scary'n stuff. Plus they wouldn't let Scooter wear his propeller beanie cap in prison, or let him have his blankie... Bush can relate to that.



Neverbeenamarine, your a complete left wing kook, aren't you?
I bet you think dem presidents were perfectly infallible.  Get a clue whackjob,  both sides are polluted w/ self serving bureautards.