LOL who would have thought it.............

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Silat



"I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things."

He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."

What information did Libby leak?

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Ah...Gee Mace...ya got me.

Who are you?  What were we talking about?

For that matter...who am I?



I'm SOOO CONFUSED!!!



Regards, Shuckins

Up against the wall and spread 'em Shuckins.  

[Elfie]

both sides are polluted w/ self serving bureautards.

Ain't that the truth!

[crockett]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
How quickly and conveniently you forget about all of Clintons pardons.. want a refresher?

If you're a dem, lying is considered grade school stuff.  If you really want to earn dem respect, you have to shove  secret documents  down your pants and in your socks, then have the balls to call it, and I quote: "...an honest mistake."

Once again it's nice to see Right wingers blaming lack of any sort of accountability from this Republican administration on Bill Clinton.

Bush could get caught given Putin a BJ and somehow it would all be Bill Clinton's fault because he had sex in the white house.

[crockett]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
It seems pretty much every president does it.  We just domn't want you left wing nutjobs making hay over it because you love to forget that is occurs on both side of the aisle.

I never said BC didn't do it.. In fact it pissed me off that he did. I just get sick of the right wingers acting like what BC did was something new.

It was all holy hell when he did it and it's the first thing they want to shove in your face. Hence the reason I brought up the fact that Bush Sr.. did the "EXACT" same thing when he left office.

Yet you never hear them *****ing about good ole Bush Sr for giving out a pardon for cash in his last days of office.

Ronald Reagan did it as well but you never see them *****ing about him.. he's like the Holy Jesus to the current Republican party.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Silat
Actually it was the lying. Actually this has nothing to do with dems. It was a rep prosecutor and judge. So stop blaming dems.
He lied to a fed prosecuter during an investigation. There was no discrepancy. The REPUBLICAN prosecutor was lied to.  He proved it in court. The only people who believe as you are republicans who think its ok for reps to lie to a federal prosecutor. I venture to say that you would be calling for a hanging if a dem lied under oath. Oh yeah, you did with Clinton:)

Oh but they don't want to actually know the real truth, they watch Fox news. It sounds better to blame it all on the Democrats.

Originally posted by Silat [/b]
And for more of your leaders integrity.

Remember this:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/

"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.
 [/B]

Hey what are you complaining about he took care of Scooter boy real good just like he said. No lies there.. lol

[crockett]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
What information did Libby leak?

Funny it's was all about the fact that Clinton "lied" under oath when you Repubs were trying to lynch him.

Now soon as it's your own, who cares if they lie under oath right?

[crockett]

Originally posted by Speed55
Another difference between the Cox and Rich cases is that while Rich fled the country and was never prosecuted for the crimes of which he was accused, Cox admitted making false statements about collateral to back his loans, and served time in prison and paid fines for his crimes. --------Last paragraph of your link.

Btw since you want to bring Mark Rich into this.. maybe you should look into this..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy

Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. Denise Rich, Marc's former wife, was a close friend of the Clintons and had made substantial donations to both Clinton's library and Hillary's Senate campaign.

Several months after her last donation, emails reveal Republican attorney "Scooter" Libby asked her to approach Clinton about pardoning Marc Rich. Clinton agreed to a pardon that required Marc Rich to pay a $100,000,000 fine before he could return to the United States.

 According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil"

[LePaul]

Thank you, Shuckins, for your posts.

Its not an all out pardon...it keeps the guy out of jail while, one hopes, he can get a decent appeal.

[FrodeMk3]

Let's see...we have 16 years', or two two-term admin.'s worth of lies uncovered right here in this thread.

Between the blowjobs' and the bombs, aren't you guys' ready to vote third party yet?

We can probably sit here in front of our PC's for the next 8 years, pointing fingers at ourselves, and complaining across the aisle, posting and posting and posting...

When do we hold ourselves accountable, as voters?

You don't think a third party stands a chance? That all it does is take votes away from a Repub. or a Dem.?

THAT's why this country's in the shape it's in. In 20-30 years, at this rate, we'll be about ready for another Civil war. I'd like to fix the problem now, with a vote, before my children get faced with this problem, which by then will be overwhelming.

Both parties are corrupt to the core. They've both betrayed the values that this country used to hold dear. They've BOTH gotten used to lying to the american people, to achieve their own personal goals. They only accept the Presidency to use and abuse it, Not to serve the american people.

(Steps off of Soapbox....)

[Elfie]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Let's see...we have 16 years', or two two-term admin.'s worth of lies uncovered right here in this thread.

Between the blowjobs' and the bombs, aren't you guys' ready to vote third party yet?

I am, if we can get a valid 3rd party going. Heck, I'd start voting again.

[FrodeMk3]

I am, if we can get a valid 3rd party going. Heck, I'd start voting again.

If it has the core values that people want(Gov't. adhereing to the constitution as it was written is a bigge for me),We need to vote for it, and make it valid.

I mean, It's a helluva mess in D.C. now...It's going to take awhile to clean up, But it'll never get started at this rate, with two overwhelming Prima-Donna parties passing us from one disaster into another.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by john9001
libby's sentence is on appeal, but libby is stupid, he should have used Hillary's whitewater answer of "i don't recall".

LOL, like she's the only one.
Perhaps she learned from Reagan's "I don't recall" testimony in both Iran-Contra and the MCA scandal.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by crockett
who cares if they lie under oath right?

I care.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by crockett
Once again it's nice to see Right wingers blaming lack of any sort of accountability from this Republican administration on Bill Clinton.

Bush could get caught given Putin a BJ and somehow it would all be Bill Clinton's fault because he had sex in the white house.

Your attempt to twist my words is DENIED.

I didn't blame anything on Bill Clinton.  You far left wingers want to lynch Bush for Scooter Libby not leaking anything but have no problem w/ Clinton's embarrassment of the US as a result of his actions. When  I mentioned  Sandy Berger's criminal actions I noticed you completely ignored them.  He got a total pass.. honest mistake?  

Two things I said in this thread that should give you a clue that I do not approve of some of the current administration's actions:  

both sides are polluted w/ self serving bureautards.

It seems pretty much every president does it...... that it occurs on both side of the aisle.

so don't give me any of your crap about me blaming things on Clinton.  At least I have the integrity to face that what was once my party is probably just as corrupt as the left.