LOL who would have thought it.............

[Silat]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Sorry Silat, that won't wash.  The investigation was screwed up from the very beginning.

Clinton was being sued for sexual harassment.  He gave testimony about his activities and was caught committing perjury.   The investigation was about him and him alone.

Fitzgerald's investigation had no direct object other than finding out who had leaked the information about Plame.  Subsequent testimony proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Armitage leaked the information.  The lawyers defending Libby also proved that the leaking of that information was NOT a violation of the law.

The apparent "contradictions" in Libby's testimony were separated by two years of time.  Since he had no part in the outing of Plame, Libby had no reason to lie.

How many of us could honestly say that our memory wouldn't fail us under similar circumstances?

I weep for this country when you think "I dont remember" and lying and getting caught is ok. There was lying that was proved. Contradictions is your talking point word of the day.
The prosecutor charged him with lying and obstruction based on the evidence. Is a republican ever guilty of anything?

[Silat]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Your attempt to twist my words is DENIED.

I didn't blame anything on Bill Clinton.  You far left wingers want to lynch Bush for Scooter Libby not leaking anything but have no problem w/ Clinton's embarrassment of the US as a result of his actions. When  I mentioned  Sandy Berger's criminal actions I noticed you completely ignored them.  He got a total pass.. honest mistake?  

Two things I said in this thread that should give you a clue that I do not approve of some of the current administration's actions:  

 

 

so don't give me any of your crap about me blaming things on Clinton.  At least I have the integrity to face that what was once my party is probably just as corrupt as the left.

Republican investigations handled the Berger affair. Its got nothing to with Dems.

[john9001]

my memory is not too good, i don't recall clinton serving 30 months in jail for perjury.

[Silat]

Originally posted by storch
silat is a frothing at the mouth liberal.  go set up a pink tent and  camp out in crawford tx. to demonstrate your anger.

Three of every four people convicted of obstruction of justice have been sent to prison over the past two years, a total of 283 people, according to federal judiciary data. The average term was more than five years. The largest group of defendants were sentenced to between 13 and 31 months in prison, exactly where Libby would have fallen on the charts.

[Speed55]

Originally posted by crockett
but I honestly don't see how you could sit there with a stright face and claim the Repubs are more on the up and up than Dems at this point.

 

1995 washington square park: watching a bunch of democrats/liberals calling a marine fom the gulf war a baby killer like they were in vietnam, frothing at the mouth, when it was 20-1 like they wanted to kill him.

2004 Having some wierd looking woman with a face like a pin cushion hand me a free mumia flyer, which i crumpled up and threw on the floor and said i hope he gets the chair.  Then almost getting jumped by 5 brothermen for it.

2006 Having a girl tell me, she can't wait for the next 9/11 to happen because bush deserves it.

200? Having crazy gun nut men and women try to hand me flyers telling me how guns are the root of all evil, not the people that wield them.

Those are people that i identify as liberals and democrats, therefore i have no respect at all for them or their party affiliations.

It is what it is, and through many experiences other than the ones mentioned, i can't be convinced otherwise.  So yes i sit here straight faced and say that i believe that more republicans from the one high up in office, to the working class man/woman are who i'd rather call a friend or put my trust in anyday over a dem/liberal.

I have a few lib aquainances, but i would never call them a true friend.

Edit:  might have the dates wrong, but all those incedents happened.

You have your opinion and i have mine.

[rpm]

Anyone remember then Gov. Bush's statement when he declined to even give the now dead Karla Faye Tucker a 30 day stay of her execution?:

"When I was sworn in as the governor of Texas I took an oath of office to uphold the laws of our state, including the death penalty. My responsibility is to ensure our laws are enforced fairly and evenly without preference or special treatment . . . . She was convicted and sentenced by a jury of her peers. The role of the state is to enforce our laws and to make sure all individuals are treated fairly under those laws.

(Thanks to a local lawyer for reminding me of that.) I'm sure God will remind Dubya right before he pulls the lever on the trapdoor to Hell.

[john9001]

was Karla Faye Tucker innocent? What did she do?

------------------------------------------------------------------------

let me refresh your memory.

"In 1984, Tucker was convicted of the brutal murders of her ex-lover, Jerry Lynn Dean, and his companion, Deborah Thornton and sentenced to the death penalty. During her trial, Tucker admitted that on June 13, 1983, she and her boyfriend at the time, Daniel Ryan Garrett, took a pickax and hacked Dean and Thornton to death while they were sleeping. (Garrett was also convicted of murder and sentenced to the death penalty. However, he died of liver disease while in prison in 1994.)

 
Karla Faye Tucker: Executed by lethal injection on February 3, 1998
At the murder scene, investigators found the pickax still embedded in Thornton's chest. Tucker even boasted at her trial that she experienced an orgasm each time she plunged the ax down upon her victims. Back then, Tucker was a drug addict and prostitute who seemed unrepentant, and even proud, of her actions. "

[rpm]

Nice attempt at a derail. What does Tucker's guilt or innocence have to do with this?
I do see this in common:

seemed unrepentant, and even proud, of her actions.

[john9001]

rpm, you are suffering from terminal bushhate.

[LePaul]

RPM, you cite poor examples.

You're so bent on hating Bush that to you its a religious conviction.  You do not seem to be able to have a political *discussion* because to you, hating Bush is kneejerk.

I've watched your various arguments and Bush blasts in the past.  On this example, you cite a murderer in a super-vague attempt to back up your already-very thin point.

Get a grip

[crockett]

Originally posted by Speed55
1995 washington square park: watching a bunch of democrats/liberals calling a marine fom the gulf war a baby killer like they were in vietnam, frothing at the mouth, when it was 20-1 like they wanted to kill him.

2004 Having some wierd looking woman with a face like a pin cushion hand me a free mumia flyer, which i crumpled up and threw on the floor and said i hope he gets the chair.  Then almost getting jumped by 5 brothermen for it.

2006 Having a girl tell me, she can't wait for the next 9/11 to happen because bush deserves it.

200? Having crazy gun nut men and women try to hand me flyers telling me how guns are the root of all evil, not the people that wield them.

Those are people that i identify as liberals and democrats, therefore i have no respect at all for them or their party affiliations.

It is what it is, and through many experiences other than the ones mentioned, i can't be convinced otherwise.  So yes i sit here straight faced and say that i believe that more republicans from the one high up in office, to the working class man/woman are who i'd rather call a friend or put my trust in anyday over a dem/liberal.

I have a few lib aquainances, but i would never call them a true friend.

Edit:  might have the dates wrong, but all those incedents happened.

You have your opinion and i have mine.

So your opinion on Democrat leaders is based on dealing with a few nut jobs?

That's kinda like me saying all republicans are nut jobs and can't be trusted,  because some of their conservative base supporters likes to blow up abortion clinics.  

lol yea your right you can have your own opinion.. just kinda funny that yours is based off a few fruit loops that have nothing to do with any sort of political power.

[Masherbrum]

The Two Party system has long failed.   But, most wish to have the same debate on which is "right" or "better".    Therein lies the problem.

[Speed55]

Originally posted by crockett

lol yea your right you can have your own opinion.. just kinda funny that yours is based off a few fruit loops that have nothing to do with any sort of political power.

see it as you wish.

[MORAY37]

Here's the thing.. and this is where my take on it is.

"Scooter" Libby lied.  How or what that lie was, is completely inconsequential.  He was found in a court of law to be guilty, by jury of his peers, prosecuted by a republican, he was sentenced by a judge WHOM WAS APPOINTED BY the president, to a term that is straight down the sentencing guidelines.  End of story.  All of this is still not good enough for the more leniant of republicans...all pointing fingers.."but Mom, look at what Bill did..."  Give me a break and grow up.  No wonder our kids are so screwed up.  Now his sentence is commuted, and his pardon is only a few short months away.

Libby was not directly involved in the Plame affair... he just tried to help out his political allies, Rove and Fitzgerald, and throw off the dogs a little.  Therefore, his lie directly affected a Federal Investigation.  This commutation again shows, that money has it's priviledges.  245,000 to this man means nothing.

If you want to commute someone's sentence, Mr. Bush, how bout the 18 year old kid in Georgia that got a BJ from his 17 year old consenting girlfriend at a party, that happened to be taped without his knowledge.  (oral sex with an under 18 year old was a felony in Georgia until recently.) Honor student and was admitted to a good college with a full ride scholarship.  He got 10 years in a state prison, in a case that was prosecuted without any party's wishes...and got the maximum sentence to boot.  The MOTHER of the girl begged for there to be no charges.  He has no money and, in this country, therefore has no rights.

And for the record, publically outing any agent who has or will be under cover is a FELONY.  It has to do with their safety.  Libby, had nothing to do with Rove and Fitzgerald outing Plame.  I feel Bush had a whole lot to do with all of it... and alot will surface after his term ends. The administration was on the brink of war when William Plame reported, after he was sent to investigate yellow cake uranium and Iraq, that bush was full of crap in his state of the union on the eve of the Iraq War...Bush got pissed and outed his wife who was UNDER COVER at the time. In any case.. He will pardon Libby, and of course Rove, Fitzgerald and Gonzalez (who will eventually be served, sooner or later, and whose memory is surprisingly good suddenly) when all is said and done.

I'm not a frothing at the mouth liberal.  I am an american who feels the system is mocking it's citizenry.  Our rule of law should not be for sale, in any party or administration.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Speed55
1995 washington square park: watching a bunch of democrats/liberals calling a marine fom the gulf war a baby killer like they were in vietnam, frothing at the mouth, when it was 20-1 like they wanted to kill him.

2004 Having some wierd looking woman with a face like a pin cushion hand me a free mumia flyer, which i crumpled up and threw on the floor and said i hope he gets the chair.  Then almost getting jumped by 5 brothermen for it.

2006 Having a girl tell me, she can't wait for the next 9/11 to happen because bush deserves it.

200? Having crazy gun nut men and women try to hand me flyers telling me how guns are the root of all evil, not the people that wield them.

Those are people that i identify as liberals and democrats, therefore i have no respect at all for them or their party affiliations.

It is what it is, and through many experiences other than the ones mentioned, i can't be convinced otherwise.  So yes i sit here straight faced and say that i believe that more republicans from the one high up in office, to the working class man/woman are who i'd rather call a friend or put my trust in anyday over a dem/liberal.

I have a few lib aquainances, but i would never call them a true friend.

Edit:  might have the dates wrong, but all those incedents happened.

You have your opinion and i have mine.

I would not have a good opinion of those types of people as well.  They serve as signposts of irrationality.  But, saying that, I have less opinion of those who tend to base their opinion of a broad range of people by only a few incidents or individuals.    It's irresponsibly and disrespectful.  It sounds of narrow minded, opinionated propaganda.  You know, the kinda thing the conservative base in America loves to do... associate anything they can bad with anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY like they do.  The Nazi party did much the same in early 1930's Germany.... as well as the Socialist Reform in China.