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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2007, 12:27:47 PM »
There are so many different planes to fly, I can't bring myself to care if a few or even most of them get disabled now and then.
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2007, 03:34:00 PM »
Happened one night a couple weeks ago, Oleg. Rooks had 130, Bish had 110-120, Nits had 70. The Bish were rolling the Rooks with La-7s and high-value perks (and no, it wasn't because all the Rooks were busy with the Nits. Numbers were evenly matched in the theater between Rooks/Bish).
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2007, 11:51:20 PM »
In your example bish has ~36% its quite small exceeding, ENY didnt reached 5 most probably. Just check country status next time.
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2007, 12:10:56 AM »
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There are so many different planes to fly, I can't bring myself to care if a few or even most of them get disabled now and then.
Holy crap SOB!  What rock you been under?  Or was it a sheep?

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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2007, 12:46:29 AM »
Baaaaa  :)
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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2007, 12:47:49 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2007, 06:16:35 AM »
Belittle me if you want, but the bottom line is that given a choice between a game that has it in it's current poorly implemented state with it's abrupt and disruptive impact on individual game play and a sim that didn't,  I'd fly the sim that didn't.

My point is it needs improvement.      

Unless of course the goal is that to have players log, in which case it's working just fine.

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2007, 07:42:57 AM »
"I like the concept of fair play"

No you don't ... otherwise you wouldn't have started this thread.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2007, 09:34:13 AM »
I am far from uber in the game, but I fly the FM2 and spit IX a lot, so eny doesn't often effect me.

Try to fly something with high eny and get good at it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2007, 09:41:30 AM »
Can we maybe cap it?  Too mach of a good thing can be a bad thing sometimes
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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2007, 11:19:36 AM »
The following are available if ENY climbs to 24, with those tagged with * available if ENY climbs to 29.

A-20G (first rate jabo and capable dogfighter)
A6M2*
109E*
109F-4*
109G-2*
109G-6*
110C-4b*
Boston III* (ok jabo and dogfighter)
C.202*
F4U-1
190A-5
190A-8*
Hurricane MK.I*
Hurricane MK.IID
IL-2
Ki-61
Mosquito
P-38G*
P-40B*
P-40E*
P-47D-11
SBD-5* (ok jabo, excellent dogfighter)
Spitfire MK.I*
Spitfire Mk.V (first rate furballer)
TBM-3* (good jabo, good dogfighter if need be)
Yak-9T

I would not feel outclassed in most of these, especially the P-38G, P-40E, P-47D-11, F4U-1,109F, 109G2, 109G-6 and 190A-5, all of which can handle anything that comes along. The F4U-1 is quite good and the main ride for several top pilots. The P-38G can haul 2k in bombs and is fearsome in a dogfight. Moreover, the P-40E can be a real handful if it has a good pilot. Then there's the 190A-5, a first class ride and a terrific plane in which to pick off the clueless. The Jug is very lethal and something not to be underestimated. My favorite 109 is the G-2, capable of abusing any of the low ENY hotrods. If you think any of the above are not capable, come see me in the TA one evening and I'll be happy to demonstrate what they are able to do.

Gents, there's no reason to whine about ENY if you have even average fighter skills. There's lots of choices and many of them are very capable. All in all, I fly high ENY fighters much of the time anyway, so a high ENY doesn't faze me in the least.

Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs.

My suggestion is to use ENY restrictions as an opportunity to broaden your horizons.

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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2007, 11:22:16 AM »
Well said Widewing, by NOT trying to fly the other planes, your missing out on so much more that the game has to offer !

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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2007, 11:25:09 AM »
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Well said Widewing, by NOT trying to fly the other planes, your missing out on so much more that the game has to offer !

Agreed.

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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2007, 11:36:53 AM »
Problem with ENY isn't the concept, it's current format doesn't work well with the ability to hop arenas.

What happens close to a reset -
The country about to be reset loses players as they either log off or hop to a different arena.
Result - ENY rockets.

Planes ENY values need sorting out also, they are currently in such disarray they are meaningless.

ENY values 'used' to seem to represent a planes effectiveness/performance many moons ago.
Now as it is being used to limit popular planes individual values are scattered all over the place.

Make the ENY value actaully represent something, so the late war high performers are the first to be limited, then work your way down from there.

It's ridiculous that a 1942 Hurri IIc is limited WAY before 1945/4 rides.
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2007, 11:44:51 AM »
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It's ridiculous that a 1942 Hurri IIc is limited WAY before 1945/4 rides.


And in most cases, this is justified. Look at the killstats. HurriIIC has consistently one of the highest K/D in the whole planeset.  Currently it is #3 ranked non-perk plane with a average K/D of 1.61, in tour 89 it was even #1 non-perked plane!
It's impact clearly justifies a low ENY value.
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