Originally posted by crockett
I dunno why you were giving me crap tonight over something so stupid but here yea go..
KI-84
Ki-61
At no alt will the Ki-61 out run a ki-84.
Top speed of the Ki-61 at 15k is a hair under 375 mph, probably about 365mph according to the graph. On the deck it's top speed is in the 310mph range.
The Ki-84 top speed at 15k is 375mph on the dot, but climb to 18k and it will do 390ish. On the Deck the Ki-84 is still faster as it will do roughly 340mph according to the chart.
Also as far as the turning, there are no stats, but assuming both pilots are equal, I still say no way a Ki-61 will out turn a ki-84 at the same speeds on the deck. If it will, I'll eat my words on that aspect, but I know for a fact a ki-84 is faster.
Even if the ki-61 did manage to out turn the ki-84, the ki-84 would still eat up the ki-61 because it has more power to recover and play with. The ki-61 is way under powered and IMO dogish on the deck with it's limited climb ability.
Aside from that both planes are two of my favorites in the game. In fact Japanese planes are my personal favorites overal, starting with the ki-84, A6m5 and the ki-61. A tour or two ago, those would have been the most common planes I flew. I've been trying to get better in the P38 so I've been flying the P38G as much as possible lately.
In no way am I saying the Ki-61 sucks but given equal pilots both skilled in each aircraft, I'd have to give the likely win to the Ki-84 in most cases.
As side note the only real complaint I have about either, is how easy it is to get pilot wounds due to no armor.
Again, I'm up to prove these numbers wrong as I do it often. Skills aside, you'd think the Bish and Knight folks that come across a Rook Ki61 wouldn't get cocky. But, they do and very often find themselves in the tower quickly. I applaud them for thinking like this, it makes my job even easier.
I'm sure the last two sentences will come across as arrogance as it has been common in the past. Folks will pile on my statements, and when defending myself, the accusations fly.
Now back on track. I RARELY am above 12k, my squaddies and friends in all countries will agree with this. I will use 12k worth of E in a fight, if I am on the deck, I will try and save some E. I DO NOT use flaps, and 90% of the time, rarely use them. I use throttle manipulation instead. It is more effective for my style of fighting. Climbing 8k more to me, is a waste of time and fuel. If I only fly to 20k and stay there at all costs, I am limiting my skills and restricting tactics even further. I WILL climb to 20k and knock someone off of that perch, and then dive back to altitude.
In the 5 years + of playing AH, I have shocked country mates by predicting Con maneuvers before they even happen. I can often with a degree of accuracy tell who I'm fighting.
Summary: Numbers and charts mean watermelon in a MA environment. The numbers are replaced by cockiness, laziness, and 2nd guesses. I have NO PROBLEMS turning with Spits and easier yet, Ki84's. I did it Monday night. I do it often. He even had altitude, but he made a fatal error, he misjudged my E, I was easily catching him in the ONLY plus the Ki84 has. He was caught going vertical, and had about 11k to plummet.
Strafing, you've always a problem with me for some reason as I've never done anything to you personally. I believe you are one who is younger than myself and carries a grudge over the most minuscule of dealings. I dropped the MA milk run baggage that you participated in over a year ago. The Rooks who were on last night would concur with this as well.
Look at my scores this Tour, and 2 Tours ago. You'll see what I mean.
Finally, if you want to get better, do not hesitate to see if I want to take you to the DA. I'd be happy to teach all that I know. Then again, "since Karaya sucks, I might be wasting my time."
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> Goth and Helm for teaching me the ways of the "POS Tony". ENY of 25 
