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Offline gear

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Offline Yknurd

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2007, 12:08:39 PM »
I pledge not to clink on links without some explanation.

Especially if Gordo posted them.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2007, 12:16:23 PM »
If your an American, click on the link...
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2007, 12:21:23 PM »
It's safe.  And worth while.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2007, 12:32:35 PM »
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all."

 As it was written and meant to be.   An expression of patriotism, not religious faith.  

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2007, 01:07:21 PM »
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"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all."

 As it was written and meant to be.   An expression of patriotism, not religious faith.  



Or what the Southerners had to say too get there freedom back.....
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2007, 01:41:01 PM »
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"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all."

 As it was written and meant to be.   An expression of patriotism, not religious faith.  



Bellamy writes the "Pledge of Allegiance" and a companion address for publication in the September 8, 1892 issue of The Youth's Companion. The published Pledge reads:
"I Pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible, with liberty and Justice for all."


Bellamy, a socialist and Baptist clergyman, writes the "Pledge of Allegiance" to "reflect the views of his cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of Looking Backward and other socialist utopian novels."
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2007, 02:54:51 PM »
Well it's a relief then that the Supreme Court ruled back in 1943 that no one can be forced to say it.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2007, 03:07:45 PM »
Forced, no, it shouldn't be forced.

However, it should be mandatory for citizenship, to vote, to drive on public highways, or to use any service provided or paid for by the government.

If you have a problem with the Pledge of allegiance I have a problem with you in my country.
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2007, 03:11:34 PM »
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Forced, no, it shouldn't be forced.

However, it should be mandatory for citizenship, to vote, to drive on public highways, or to use any service provided or paid for by the government.

If you have a problem with the Pledge of allegiance I have a problem with you in my country.



Yeah, don't piss off someone from the Komi Republic....or wannabes
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2007, 03:32:36 PM »
I'm all for freedom of speech but I agree with Ghosth 100%. Our country, our justice sytsem and our form of government may not be perfect but we are not afraid to put our problems out in public and try to deal with them.  Our country is made up of people from almost every corner of the whole world, we don't have to build walls to keep our people in, we have the problem of too many people wanting to be Americans. It's our freedom of speech that makes it appear that we are worse off than we are because we are the kind of people who will honestly print, publish, expose and broadcast every issue imaginable. We will openly debate any issue and we have and will come together to force changes when needed. The cost of this freedom has been high and there are a lot of people in our country who are very vocal about it's woes and they have profited greatly from our way of life but have not contributed one thing to it's well being. I don't think asking someone to pledge their allegiance is asking too much of an American citizen.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2007, 04:21:34 PM »
"If you have a problem with the Pledge of allegiance I have a problem with you in my country."

 You should think a wee bit deeper about what you wrote because it is truly the antithesis of what the founding fathers created.  
  Fortunately we both have the right, at this time, to express differing opinions. I imagine in your "world"  I should not have that right and if I voiced it I'd be off to the camps or deported?
 
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Offline WOOD1

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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2007, 04:38:41 PM »
If you aren't loyal and supportive of a country that allows us all to disagree with it's policies, to vote on changes to those policies, to speak our minds no matter how controversial then why should anyone ever listen to you. Why would I trust you if your best interest aren't with our Country? Taking the pledge is not an allegiance to the current president, or congress or senate. It doesn't mean blind obedience, just the opposite. It's stating that you are an American who will try to uphold our constitution, which includes our right to voice our opinion, worship the way we want, elect our governtment, get due process. Read it again.

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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2007, 04:47:15 PM »
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Forced, no, it shouldn't be forced.

However, it should be mandatory for citizenship, to vote, to drive on public highways, or to use any service provided or paid for by the government.

If you have a problem with the Pledge of allegiance I have a problem with you in my country.


Funny I thought it was tax payers that paid for public highways and the services our govt provides. Are they selling the toilet paper out of the White house again making some money us tax payers don't know about?
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2007, 04:52:48 PM »
Wood1 you're wrong.  Patriotism is what you DO not what you say or wave that is loyalty.   Oaths, allegiances and flag worship is what is called "shallow patriotism."    Especially when they are what is held up high as proof of what being a good, proper citizen is as you an Ghosth are doing

 Look it up.  "shallow patriotism"
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