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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2007, 01:21:09 PM »
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Here's a little more info.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/22/nchastity22.xml


Ah ha... so it's not about abstinence education at all.

"She was challenging the decision by Millais School in Horsham, West Sussex, to bar her and a number of other girls from wearing the rings because jewellery was outlawed under the uniform code."

...but the school has made an exception for jewelry that is required because of a student's religion.

It appears to me that Lydia Playfoot has tried to exploit a religious loophole for the purpose of her own personal expression.

Give me a break. This isn't about sex education or freedom of religion at all.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2007, 01:23:47 PM »
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Ah ha... so it's not about abstinence education at all.

"She was challenging the decision by Millais School in Horsham, West Sussex, to bar her and a number of other girls from wearing the rings because jewellery was outlawed under the uniform code."

...but the school has made an exception for jewelry that is required because of a student's religion.

It appears to me that Lydia Playfoot has tried to exploit a religious loophole for the purpose of her own personal expression.

Give me a break. This isn't about sex education or freedom of religion at all.


Please tell me how freedom of religion in regards to any apparel is not about personal expression?
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2007, 01:38:15 PM »
Some religions require specific apparel as part of the practice of that religion.

Leaving her chastity ring or her WWJD bracelet at home won't make this girl a sinner in the eyes of the church.
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2007, 01:42:11 PM »
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Some religions require specific apparel as part of the practice of that religion.

Leaving her chastity ring or her WWJD bracelet at home won't make this girl a sinner in the eyes of the church.


Sikhs also require the wearing of a blade, same as the bracelet. Do you think they are allowed to wear that in school? If they can skip that part of religious expression then why not the bracelet?
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2007, 01:44:15 PM »
You'll have to ask a Sikh.

Some Sikhs do wear the blade to school. The blade is blunted and riveted to the sheath.
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2007, 01:49:21 PM »
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You'll have to ask a Sikh.


A better question is to ask why the school can discriminate against certain religions and the girl is apparently doing just that. I'm betting she wins this.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2007, 01:50:41 PM »
Where in the bible are chastity rings mentioned?  I think I missed that part.  Since you probably won't respond, I'll just add that the jewelery ban sounds silly, but this is hardly religious discrimination, and folks who claim it is are blind to the real discrimination around us.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2007, 01:54:59 PM »
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Where in the bible are chastity rings mentioned?  I think I missed that part.



Where will you find any symbol representative of a religion but the star of david in the bible?

I know we're talking about England here but the US usually isn't far behind or ahead. In the US freedom of religion means you don't get to dictate what my religious symbols are or mean.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2007, 01:59:50 PM »
So...

If she is not allowed to wear the ring she'll probably become a ho?

This is laughable.

She belongs to a club. The club wants her to wear the ring. Any club with any agenda could make the same argument if this girl is allowed to circumvent the school's rules.

Why should christian clubs get special treatment?
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2007, 02:00:41 PM »
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Where will you find any symbol representative of a religion but the star of david in the bible?


Also, how far do you go on the acceptability of symbols?  Since the chastity ring isn't part of the mainstream church, I assume you would accept Jedi'ists wearing light sabers and rastafarians wearing tie-dye shirts to a school with mandatory uniforms?  Satanists wearing shirts that have upside-down crosses and bloody skulls with the number 666 on them?  Muslim girls wearing burkahs?

Just want to see if your argument is internally consistent, I look forward to your reply.
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2007, 02:01:03 PM »
I get it. If a school bans body piercings and a girl wants to wear a cross in her navel, she's being religiously persecuted.

Okie dokie.
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2007, 02:02:29 PM »
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A better question is to ask why the school can discriminate against certain religions and the girl is apparently doing just that. I'm betting she wins this.


Comparing this little fad of a ring to a centuries old tradition of the Kirpan is laughable.
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2007, 02:04:04 PM »
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Sikhs also require the wearing of a blade, same as the bracelet. Do you think they are allowed to wear that in school? If they can skip that part of religious expression then why not the bracelet?


As near as I can tell, the wearing of the Kirpan is allowed.

Can we move on to the next straw man?
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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2007, 02:07:33 PM »
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I get it. If a school bans body piercings and a girl wants to wear a cross in her navel, she's being religiously persecuted.

Okie dokie.


Do you really want to compare a girl wearing a ring showing herself to chaste based on her religious beliefs with a girl wearing a navel ring as an expression of religion? If you are willing to make that connection then why will you not allow a ring representing chastity the same freedom as you obviously do a steel bracelet and blade (their stated purpose being defense)?
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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2007, 02:10:54 PM »
Just following your argument to its ridiculous conclusion. ;)
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