Author Topic: Chastity rings banned? (Read 1672 times)

AKIron · « **Reply #30 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:11:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Also, how far do you go on the acceptability of symbols? Since the chastity ring isn't part of the mainstream church, I assume you would accept Jedi'ists wearing light sabers and rastafarians wearing tie-dye shirts to a school with mandatory uniforms? Satanists wearing shirts that have upside-down crosses and bloody skulls with the number 666 on them? Muslim girls wearing burkahs?

Just want to see if your argument is internally consistent, I look forward to your reply.

Your argument is invalid. The girl is complaining that if other religions are accomodated in this regard then so should hers. She isn't demanding that her's be recognized to the exclusion of everyone elses.

AKIron · « **Reply #31 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:13:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Just following your argument to its ridiculous conclusion.

Too quick to dismiss others rights so long as it doesn't interfere with yours it seems to me.

AKIron · « **Reply #32 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:17:23 PM »

I don't know if you guys are aware of this but a central tenet of Christianity is evangelism. To deny a person this freeedom is to deny them their religion. This is no fad and many Christians have paid for this responsibility and privledge with their lives. I just hope no one ever has to pay that price in the West.

Sandman · « **Reply #33 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:21:31 PM »

I get it. A christian can't evangelize without jewelry.

Okey dokie.

I anxiously await the scripture.

AKIron · « **Reply #34 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:28:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
I get it. A christian can't evangelize without jewelry.

Okey dokie.

I anxiously await the scripture.

I know next to nothing about English schools but if they are anything like the public schools here a ring may be one of the few ways left a person can represent their faith at school. We saw what happened recently when a graduating Valedictorian was invited to speak at the ceremony, her mic was cut when her speech was deemed too christian by some.

Chairboy · « **Reply #35 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:30:10 PM »

I would like to hear Seagoon's take on Lukster's apparent claim that jewelry is needed to evangelize, and that this is an representative example of the religious discrimination he writes about on occasion, where people are killed for believing in the Jesus in Muslim countries.

AKIron · « **Reply #36 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:35:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
I would like to hear Seagoon's take on Lukster's apparent claim that jewelry is needed to evangelize, and that this is an representative example of the religious discrimination he writes about on occasion, where people are killed for believing in the Jesus in Muslim countries.

People were being killed for their faith in Christ long before there were Muslim countries.

Why do you insist on twisting my words? Jewelry is NOT required to evangelize unless no other method is allowed. Nor should it be denied as an evangelical expression.

Also, Seagoon is not responsible for me nor I him. Your jedi mind tricks need a little work.

Chairboy · « **Reply #37 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:38:19 PM »

Well... it seems to me that you're the one making this a religious discrimination issue, when the jewelery ban applies to everyone. Also, you seem to be asserting that her jewelery is required for her to practice her faith... but you dismissed the equivalent things I presented from other religions, so, I guess I'm just puzzled by what appears to be an example of blind hypocracy.

In regards to Seagoon, I understand your reluctance to hear from him, the danger that he might not agree that statements that equate this with the persecution of Christians in middle eastern countries is probably pretty real.

Sure, there's always the possibility of a "Christians have to stand together, even when one person is being ridiculous" situation, but I'd hope the quality of character would preclude that here.

Sandman · « **Reply #38 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:40:00 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I know next to nothing about English schools but if they are anything like the public schools here a ring may be one of the few ways left a person can represent their faith at school. We saw what happened recently when a graduating Valedictorian was invited to speak at the ceremony, her mic was cut when her speech was deemed too christian by some.

Next straw man... Hi there!

I suspect that Foothill High School did Brittany McComb a favor. We're it not for their pulling the plug, no one would have heard of her or her message.

God works in mysterious ways.

LOL.

AKIron · « **Reply #39 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:44:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Well... it seems to me that you're the one making this a religious discrimination issue, when the jewelery ban applies to everyone. Also, you seem to be asserting that her jewelery is required for her to practice her faith... but you dismissed the equivalent things I presented from other religions, so, I guess I'm just puzzled by what appears to be an example of blind hypocracy.

I was as bumfuzzled as you when I ran across the original article though to be honest I suspected it was a jewlery issue. Let's review the facts though, I didn't make it a religious discrimination issue, the second article I found and linked did. Also, according to the articles, it is a fact that exceptions were made for both a both a Muslim and a Sikh (not a hindu, satanist, atheist, scientologist, etc...) but not for a Christian. No need to muddy the waters with speculation.

AKIron · « **Reply #40 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:47:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Next straw man... Hi there!

I suspect that Foothill High School did Brittany McComb a favor. We're it not for their pulling the plug, no one would have heard of her or her message.

God works in mysterious ways.

LOL.

No one except perhaps the several hundred people at the ceremony. I don't believe I've read in any article the full content of her censored speech so perhaps no one has heard her message? This just doesn't bother you does it?

Sandman · « **Reply #41 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:54:34 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
No one except perhaps the several hundred people at the ceremony. I don't believe I've read in any article the full content of her censored speech so perhaps no one has heard her message? This just doesn't bother you does it?

Google is your friend.

http://www.therebelution.com/2006/06/full-text-of-brittany-mccombs-speech_24.html

FWIW, Ms. McCombs was given the edited version by the school and she agreed to use it, but then did not do so.

Check the media attention she has received:

http://www.therebelution.com/2006/06/brittany-mccomb-silenced-at-graduation.html

AKIron · « **Reply #42 on:** July 07, 2007, 03:00:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Google is your friend.

http://www.therebelution.com/2006/06/full-text-of-brittany-mccombs-speech_24.html

FWIW, Ms. McCombs was given the edited version by the school and she agreed to use it, but then did not do so.

No denying that God can and does use every situation. The early martyring of Christians is one of the reasons for Christianty's relatively rapid spread through the world.

The sad fact is that she knew many of those students and her message likely would mean much more to those people than to someone who never met her. I guess that's what our government does, protect us from ourselves in the way "they" know best.

You may be right though, her message very well may reach more due to the school's censorship.

eagl · « **Reply #43 on:** July 07, 2007, 03:01:35 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target

Why should christian clubs get special treatment?

I (and many others) consider ALL religions to be well-organized clubs so although this is a good question, you probably don't realize the full scope of the issue.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #44 on:** July 07, 2007, 03:36:50 PM »

Jewelery is apparently 'outlawed' under the schools uniform code.... she showed up wearing wearing Jewelery. End of story.

Wearing Jewelery to express an opinion, is still wearing Jewelery.