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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2007, 09:06:50 PM »
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McFarland,

Look up the word "my" and learn to use it.  
People will take you a bit more seriously if you don’t write like your working on the script for Deliverance II.


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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2007, 09:10:56 PM »
I talk the way I write. I write the way I talk. So I talk with a Scottish accent, be glad I don't write withn a redneck accent. At least I actually use English. Unlike some users of this forum. But, if it makes you feel better, I'll use my.

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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2007, 09:14:00 PM »
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So you'd kill someone over theft of your fishing rod?


Depends. Did he break into my house in the middle of the night and threaten me at gunpoint to take it or run out of my garage on a Saturday afternoon while I was mowing the grass?
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2007, 09:16:21 PM »
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Depends. Did he break into my house in the middle of the night and threaten me at gunpoint to take it or run out of my garage on a Saturday afternoon while I was mowing the grass?


Circumstance is everything.

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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2007, 09:19:03 PM »
Well, as I said in my state, Kansas, the CCH law is written that specifically delineates when you can use deadly force. The law allows for you to defend yourself using deadly force if you have a “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm to such person’s self or another.” This includes someone in the act of breaking into your dwelling or vehicle.

I'm comfortable with that; I'm not going to kill someone unless I reasonably believe it is "kill or be killed".

In defense of other property, our laws say:

"A person who is lawfully in possession of property other than a dwelling is justified in the threat or use of force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating an unlawful interference with such property. Only such degree of force or threat thereof as a reasonable man would deem necessary to prevent or terminate the interference may intentionally be used."


So if some doofus tries to walk off with my fishing rod, I can't just kill him outright. Nor would I really want to do so.
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2007, 09:27:09 PM »
Even in Texas you can't shoot someone running off with your property. I don't recall the exact verbiage but Texas does grant more latitude to the gun possessing resident at night.
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2007, 09:35:23 PM »
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Depends. Did he break into my house in the middle of the night and threaten me at gunpoint to take it or run out of my garage on a Saturday afternoon while I was mowing the grass?


Why does it matter? He is trespassing against you. Isnt that reason enough to put a permanent stop to it to keep the theif from going on to do the same or worse to someone else? Granted its nothing I dont think any one of us would like to do, but doing anything less is saying its ok for it to keep happening.

Its been shown in alot of cases that our correctional facilities dont work. A prosecuted criminal will pretty much always stay a crminal. Some catch a snap and straighten out and I think in those instances its safe to say you wont have to worry about drawing down on those individuals.

I'm sorry I dont have alot of faith in humanity as a whole. If somebody is tresspassing against you in anyway, please consider pulling the trigger. Stop the problem then and there. Stop prison overcrowding and please help save money that would be used to rehabilitate something that cant be rehabilitated. They lost their chance at rehabilitation when they crossed the line and trespassed against a fellow neighbor. They had all the power to prevent the moment they ceased to exist.
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2007, 09:57:31 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2007, 10:54:03 PM »
So wolf, you are going to shoot someone for trespassing on your property?
Your neighbors kids are walking across your yard and one has something that looks lik a fishing rod you own, so you're going to use deadly force on him?? I suppose no one else could possibly own a fishing rod like yours so you would know it was actually your $10.00 zebco rod he was walking away with.You honestly think that is grounds to kill them?
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2007, 11:11:36 PM »
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Why does it matter? He is trespassing against you. Isnt that reason enough to put a permanent stop to it to keep the theif from going on to do the same or worse to someone else? Granted its nothing I dont think any one of us would like to do, but doing anything less is saying its ok for it to keep happening.

Its been shown in alot of cases that our correctional facilities dont work. A prosecuted criminal will pretty much always stay a crminal. Some catch a snap and straighten out and I think in those instances its safe to say you wont have to worry about drawing down on those individuals.

I'm sorry I dont have alot of faith in humanity as a whole. If somebody is tresspassing against you in anyway, please consider pulling the trigger. Stop the problem then and there. Stop prison overcrowding and please help save money that would be used to rehabilitate something that cant be rehabilitated. They lost their chance at rehabilitation when they crossed the line and trespassed against a fellow neighbor. They had all the power to prevent the moment they ceased to exist.
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This outta really mess up the issue...what if the person assaults you. do you shoot him?

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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2007, 11:36:11 PM »
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So wolf, you are going to shoot someone for trespassing on your property?
Your neighbors kids are walking across your yard and one has something that looks lik a fishing rod you own, so you're going to use deadly force on him?? I suppose no one else could possibly own a fishing rod like yours so you would know it was actually your $10.00 zebco rod he was walking away with.You honestly think that is grounds to kill them?


There are times when a person needs to shoot first and ask questions later and times when its beneficial to ask questions first. The scenerio you describe is an instance to of course ask questions first.

 The situation Shamus points out is the type of Situation where I would hope to shoot the guy comming to assault me before he assaults me. Any move toward me after asking him to cease all actions is a premeditated assault in my book. I really would try to let the fella know he is going to die if he makes any move that causes me to feel threatened. Course if he is already assaulting me, then he is to close and the talk part is over with. Granted it could be a situation where I could die by my own gun, but at least I can choose to defend myself as opposed to someone telling me I cant because the criminal has rights to.
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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2007, 11:54:02 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2007, 01:48:17 AM »
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No, those two law suits were real. They really happened, and the thiefs actually won. They aren't BS.  


give me one case number.. a name... a judge... anything.    BS

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2007, 01:52:55 AM »
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Why does it matter? He is trespassing against you. Isnt that reason  If somebody is tresspassing against you in anyway, please consider pulling the trigger. Stop the problem then and there. Stop prison overcrowding and please  


Judge, jury, and executioner.

I will read about you some day:
Man shoots neighbor as neighbor retrieves his son's baseball from the shooter's front yard.

You are either a troll or very foolish and I'm pretty darned conservative.

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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2007, 02:29:10 AM »
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Judge, jury, and executioner.

I will read about you some day:
Man shoots neighbor as neighbor retrieves his son's baseball from the shooter's front yard.

You are either a troll or very foolish and I'm pretty darned conservative.


Sorry I was being somewhat sarcastic.

Part of the whole thing to me is being responsible enough to tulips the situation, but not hesitating when it goes bad. Some people are in fear of what will happen to them because the law dictates in alot of cases that the criminal has more rights than they do. That should never be the case. Commin through my door or on my property uninvited is sure as hell gonna have me pulling a gun on somebody. Doesnt say or mean I'm itching to pull the trigger. I am telling them in no uncertain terms that "I" am in control of the situation, a resolution can be reached, and "I" am to dictate what happens at all times. More than likely what will happen, providing they are smart and do what I say, is me calling the cops and the cops escort them off my property with tresspassing charges being filed. I dont play. They are not supposed to be in my yard or in my house. I have signs posted. hopefully after its all said and done with they have a refresher course on what those signs mean.

I also dont have to worry about my neighbors because they call me or knock on the door before entering my yard. They even have the courtesy to call me to let me know they were in my yard even when I'm not at home. I have had to get into their yard on occasion and I reciprocate the gesture. Its the polite respectful thing to do.

Now two weekends ago, I was walking out my door to go shoot. I see two young hispanic youths across the street thumbing through somebodies pocket book. They see me watching, drop the pocket book, and go on to try and break into somebody elses car. They werent real smart. I call the cops and while on the phone with the dispatcher they proceed to leave the area, but not beofre stopping and going through somebody elses car. Long story short, Cops caught them within 15 minutes of my call and I got to smile and wave at the two when I ID them. Another neighbor also ID the two and went as far as to suggest they are put in a cell to be someones butt toy. Now that would have been some poetic justice wouldnt you say?

I could have pulled my gun and stopped them. I didnt. If the situation required it, I wouldnt have hesitated regardless of age. I wont like having to do it, but along the lines of what McFarland said, I'm not going to give them the chance to hurt me or go on to hurt others. I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.
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