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« Reply #90 on: July 20, 2007, 07:46:24 AM »
Thanks! Great! :aok
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #91 on: July 20, 2007, 07:53:25 AM »
Anytime :)

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« Reply #92 on: July 20, 2007, 10:14:31 AM »
Hello again.
FYI, I mostly live of turf growing, (I practically quit in the beef business) and a Flowermeadow- Blomsterenge- Blumenwiese is next on the market list. Nobody in the country has it yet and nobody in the business reads these threads :t
Hopefully the business will get good enough for me to see many an airshow, and buy myself a Spitfire Mk 26 in 2010. Actually not kidding ;)
While the flowers grow I have to settle with smaller things, - but some are fun, - will be in Germany in September, and have a week for explorations. If Gunther Rall is at home, I will pop in for a cup of coffee, - if he is at home that is. (89 years and travels extensively to USA and UK to see old friends).
That was no kidding, just talked to him the other day.

And then to the LW in Norway.
This particular information of the escaping crew actually landed on me through my eye-doctor. He was studying in Munchen and making "praktikum" on a big hospital, when a patient approached him and asked him if he was an Icelander. He says "yes", and then got a first hand account on this event, - the patient was one of the crew. He had cancer and died shortly after. This was in the 1970's.
The doctor later went into exploring this, and being an outdoors person, and a cave explorer as well, managed to find parts of an aircraft on the site described as the crashing site. He went into research, like trying to find the docking logs in Heimaey from the time (Westman Islands), but they were gone. He was asking about, and was met with some coldness from the people he asked, so he stopped his research, but wrote an article about what he knew. (The German said to him: "I want to tell you something since you are an Icelander, because it happened to me and it is a part of your history")
It was published some 10 or even 15 years ago, but the mystery was never solved.
From here, there are no records of a retrived wreck. (The crew blew it up actually). And for the ack-weenies shooting off, that was many times. Those intruders from Norway made many many flights over here.
There are no harbour logs from the time for some reason. (Heimaey).
He told me that he had the feel from his research that he might be opening "old wounds", and therefore he stopped. There is a good possibility that he is right, - I do have accounts that marooned Germans were helped by the locals, - after the British/Americans came here. People felt sorry for young men being shunted to prison camps.
So, in short, there is a probability that they were "aided" to get away. "Here's the boat" (turns a blind eye)
I talked to a history professor who's field is WW2 up here, - he claims it's a myth. But I am more than ready to do some research and maybe go and see if I find some part of the wreck.
The touchy people that the doctor called at the time are now mostly dead.
So, time to go ;)
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« Reply #93 on: July 20, 2007, 11:39:02 AM »
Well, good luck with your business, and good luck with your investigations! :)

PS: If you buy that Spit you have to let me back-seat in it it for a ride! (I'll have to wear shades so nobody will recognize me in a Dweebfire, but it will be worth it!) ;)

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« Reply #94 on: July 20, 2007, 12:35:44 PM »
If your going to sow wild flowers in your turf remember to chain harrow every spring. This will encourage any seed to sprout as the ylike to have the soil disturbed . You have to o it VERY early in the season for best results.  

P.S i was a pro green keeper on a championship course here in the UK that
was on a nature sanctuary .
As the cleaners say :"once more unto the bleach"

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« Reply #95 on: July 20, 2007, 12:47:44 PM »
Interesting.
Would you mind if I started a turf thread?
I'm serious. There might be more growers ind interested in the community!
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« Reply #96 on: July 20, 2007, 04:23:05 PM »
LOL OK DUDE
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« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2007, 11:19:07 AM »
DOH!

I left for Harstad on Saturday to visit my father, and the book hadn't arrived yet. So now it will be over a week before I get to read it! I got an e-mail that it had arrived at the post office about two hours after I left town, and now it's 300 km away! :mad:

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« Reply #98 on: July 23, 2007, 03:08:24 AM »
That's what you get for living in a long and fjordy country :D
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« Reply #99 on: July 23, 2007, 10:41:26 AM »
Indeed :mad:

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« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2007, 10:58:34 AM »
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Btw. Angus, I just bought this book:





It was published in April and is supposed to be the ultimate resource on the Me 210/410 weapon systems and many variations. I'm all giddy just thinking about it! :D


Went to  Barnes & Noble to buy a copy.  Found this on the website.

"Available for Pre-Order
This item will be available on August 15."

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« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2007, 09:44:58 AM »
I feel for you :(

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« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2007, 01:36:59 PM »
I just got it! :D

First impression: Excellent! Detailed production history beginning in the 1930's, lots of scans of original documents and a complete listing of all werk-numbers w/info. A thorough breakdown of the various Me 210 and 410 variants and a gallery of photos. The only let down was the lack of specific performance figures for the different variants. It only lists the maximum speed of the Scnellbomber at maximum weight. Perhaps there are more performance data embedded in the text, I haven't had time to read it yet.

Interestingly the 13 mm defensive armament was modular like most of the plane, and could be exchanged for other equipment like electronic equipment, extended-range fuel tanks and boost-systems like GM1 for the Zerstörers. I would really like to see performance figures for a Me 410 with GM1! :aok

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« Reply #103 on: July 26, 2007, 01:39:01 PM »
Maximum load means tanked to the top and with max weight of ordnance?
I'd still like to see those ;)
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« Reply #104 on: July 26, 2007, 01:52:47 PM »
Sure! :)

Me 410 A-1 Schnellbomber at maximum weight (I think that would have to include external ord. as well, but it is not specified either way):

Max speed at SL: 485 km/h (301 mph)
Max speed at 6300 m (20,669 ft): 575 km/h (357 mph)

In addition to the FuG 16 radio the Schnellbomber carried the following electronic equipment: FuG 10, FuG 25, Peil G V, and FuBI 1.


Also I finally found out what the difference between the A and B series was: The A series were converted Me 210 airframes while the B series were new-built Me 410s.