Author Topic: How Close did Tu95s get during/after Cold War? (Read 3421 times)

Angus · « **Reply #75 on:** July 19, 2007, 12:44:03 PM »

Knew a guy who was a border patroller in east Germany in the cold war.
He said there was no particular defence plan. So if NATO had decided to walk in that would have been easy. But they sure wouldn't have had an easy time to get back

Boroda · « **Reply #76 on:** July 19, 2007, 12:48:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Boroda. Have you seriously been told that NATO could or would at any point attack the USSR/russia ??

If that is true then sadly your propaganda ministers have done a great job and mislead you.

Nilsen, we just add two and two.

NATO was built as an anti-Soviet block. It's an aggressive alliance, it showed it in 1999 when NATO gangsters bombed poor Yugoslavia to support Moslim terrorists. That was the point when everything became clear.

If you think that it is there to protect someone except American interests in Europe using you guys as disposable cannon fodder - then it's up to you.

Hortlund · « **Reply #77 on:** July 19, 2007, 12:54:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
First two times?! When!?

1940 and 1944

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #78 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:11:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Nilsen, we just add two and two.

NATO was built as an anti-Soviet block. It's an aggressive alliance, it showed it in 1999 when NATO gangsters bombed poor Yugoslavia to support Moslim terrorists. That was the point when everything became clear.

If you think that it is there to protect someone except American interests in Europe using you guys as disposable cannon fodder - then it's up to you.

Thats insane. The U.S. helped stop a genocide. I can show you the pictures of the mass graves if you want. If NATO really was anti-Soviet, well then that was the right thing to do. The Soviet Regime under Stalin was insane and genocidal, it was the duty of NATO to protect what was left of Europe from being starved and worked to death in Siberia.

Elfie · « **Reply #79 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:25:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Then what for do you build up forces in Eastern Europe? Why do you need NATO bases in Baltic states? Just for fishing?

West didn't ratify the treaty for 15 years, so we raise a question of withdrawing now, you know - every agreement means mutual actions.

Remember how the crowd here advocated American withdrawal from 1972 ABM treaty? Looks like Western nations don't care about international agreements, they are too smart.

USSR/Russia withdrew from Eastern Europe, now we see aggressors taking their place, with full load of weapons including nukes.

NATO bases wouldn't be in the Baltic states unless the Baltic states requested it, anything else would be an invasion.

Soooo......it takes Russians 15 years to figure out NATO is NOT going to ratify a treaty? It's NOT an agreement between two sides if one side doesn't ratify the treaty. DUH! No different than if the US Senate doesn't ratify a treaty. The treaty can be negotiated with the US and whoever, but if BOTH houses of Congress don't ratify it, it is null and void.

How is NATO being the aggressors by having bases in Eastern Europe? Aren't those Eastern European nations wanting to join NATO? The definition of aggressor is: attacker, someone who attacks. Who as attacked ANYONE in Europe?

Boroda · « **Reply #80 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:33:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
1940 and 1944

I just don't know what to say.

1944 invasion my ass. Well, I still remember you saying that USSR had better surrender to nazis in 1941 to avoid "unnecessary losses"...

Boroda · « **Reply #81 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:37:02 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Thats insane. The U.S. helped stop a genocide. I can show you the pictures of the mass graves if you want. If NATO really was anti-Soviet, well then that was the right thing to do. The Soviet Regime under Stalin was insane and genocidal, it was the duty of NATO to protect what was left of Europe from being starved and worked to death in Siberia.

Stopping genocide? Don't make me laugh. Before 1999 total number of victims in conflict was less then 400 people. about 200 vs 200.

US Congress declared KLA a terrorist organization in Autumn 1998, and Serbian police forces were fighting them.

Soviet regime insane?! Should I post a list of US invasions into other countries in XX century?

Hortlund · « **Reply #82 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:36:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I just don't know what to say.

1944 invasion my ass. Well, I still remember you saying that USSR had better surrender to nazis in 1941 to avoid "unnecessary losses"...

And 1940?

And if you were so concerned with liberating the Baltic states from the Germans, then why did you occupy them yourself after the war? Dont try to come here with some song-and-dance.

And I've never ever said anything like that.

skernsk · « **Reply #83 on:** July 19, 2007, 03:59:24 PM »

Boroda, on the topic of Yugoslavia. I think you are wrong there, I know somebody who served there (with the United Nations) and there is all kinds of evidence of atrocities. You can talk about whatever you want on these boards and I will give you alot of slack.

You are 100% incorrect with regards to the peacekeeping that took place there. Check your facts, read something besides the party newspaper before making foolish comments.

Also, I did read a book (I PM'd you that link) and in there clearly stated would be two invasions of the baltic states. The whole world, except you know all about it. So I guess we are all wrong there also.

It's from your posts that I realize there will never be peace between Russia and the West. And to be fair there are many in the West who slander the piss out of Russia so its a two sided *****-show that the rest of the world have to live with.

The rest of the world needs to give both sides a bare bellybutton spanking and send you to your rooms.

Nilsen · « **Reply #84 on:** July 20, 2007, 07:47:37 AM »

Here is a photo taken thursdag night

Viking · « **Reply #85 on:** July 20, 2007, 07:51:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Here is a photo taken thursdag night...

Thursdag? LOL! You talking Norwenglish today Nilsen?

Nilsen · « **Reply #86 on:** July 20, 2007, 07:53:25 AM »

oops typo

Angus · « **Reply #87 on:** July 20, 2007, 10:32:08 AM »

Didn't Viking serve in Yugoslavia?

Viking · « **Reply #88 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:52:31 PM »

Aye. What's up?

Nilsen · « **Reply #89 on:** July 20, 2007, 01:26:18 PM »

I just saw on the news that its the third night in a row now that norwegian f16s have scrambled to "escort" russian bears. They are going down our coast juuuust outside our border and down to britain. Me thinks the recent russian/british diplomatic crisis is the reason.