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« Reply #300 on: July 20, 2007, 10:33:10 AM »
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I don't think folks are saying that is the case. Your average Russian citizen is pretty much like any American, we just want to live our lives in peace.

I think most of the references to the Russians or USSR is a reference to their government and not the average citizen. In much the same way that folks from other countries say....You Americans were wrong for invading Iraq....I think they are speaking about our government being wrong and not Jane/Joe American.


Exactly.

We see a difference between an ordinary Joe and government/corporations/olygarchy. You guys send your sons to die for their profits :( Unfortunately here it's not much different.

A good illustration to Russian mentality: an old woman selling fresh milk from her cow at the country road side, a Russian guy with 3 Germans in his car stops to buy some, a woman (babooshka) hears that this people are from Germany, and refuses to take money, "Take it, Germans, no money, please, you know, we had a war with you! (she said "nemchiki", an affectionate form of the word "nemtsy" (Germans).

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« Reply #301 on: July 20, 2007, 10:35:11 AM »
I officialy declare I've not read this thread


Now I'll need some help form you clever guys :


Margarita or Daiquiri this evening ?


Now that's a serious question !

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« Reply #302 on: July 20, 2007, 10:36:22 AM »
Daiquiri? What is that like?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #303 on: July 20, 2007, 10:37:50 AM »
Daiquiri :
- 4 cl de rhum cubain (havana club, bacardi, etc)
- 2 cl de jus de citrons verts
- 1 cl de sirop de sucre de canne

      
Margarita :
- 4 cl de tequila
- 2 cl de liqueur d'oranges (triple sec,cointreau,grand marnier)
- jus d'un demi citrons verts

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« Reply #304 on: July 20, 2007, 10:55:55 AM »
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I wonder how Boroda defends the Nashi organization, which is awfully alot like Hitler Jugend (coincidentally sounds alot like "nazi"). Ironically they claim to be an anti-fascist movement, but they have showed alot of fascist tendencies.


Nashi are a crowd of illiterate young fools, "comsa", pure essence of idiocy in ass-licking and following the modern Party line. No fascist tendencies, they are just an illustration to an old Russian proverb: "Ask a fool to pray - and he'll break his forehead".

90% of this post-Soviet kids don't even know what happened on May 9th 1945, and will be surprised that Americans were our allies. So it goes. Everything goes down the drain, intellectual and educational level of people born after Soviet times is disgusting. Teletubbies, pokemons and "Nanny" as a substitute to life.

I look at them and I see myself as a member of a "lost generation", too young to make a career in an old system and use it for a jump-start, too old to completely fit into a new one. I am doing fine, enjoying life, but i simply can't understand them.

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« Reply #305 on: July 20, 2007, 10:58:22 AM »
I look at them and I see myself as a member of a "lost generation", too young to make a career in an old system and use it for a jump-start, too old to completely fit into a new one. I am doing fine, enjoying life, but i simply can't understand them.

And those lines there, imo, sum up the difference of opinions amongst us!!


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I'm the worst pilot ingame ya know!!!

It's all unrealistic crap requested by people who want pie in the sky actions performed without an understanding of how things work and who can't grasp reality.


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« Reply #306 on: July 20, 2007, 11:07:12 AM »
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I officialy declare I've not read this thread


Now I'll need some help form you clever guys :


Margarita or Daiquiri this evening ?


Now that's a serious question !


Cuba Libra is my favorite. I use grapefruit juice instead of lime, makes it not too sweet.

I'll have some cedar-nut vodka with solyanka soup tonight, it deserves some good vodka.

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« Reply #307 on: July 20, 2007, 11:12:24 AM »
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I officialy declare I've not read this thread


Now I'll need some help form you clever guys :


Margarita or Daiquiri this evening ?


Now that's a serious question !


Strawberry daquiri with crushed ice. Trust me.

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« Reply #308 on: July 20, 2007, 11:15:36 AM »
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Very interesting, you puzzled me...
So, Hortlund wish our nation... "government" according to you, collapse to anarchy... That 's a little bit strange. Anarchy is nonexistence of government. It's hard to imagine how government can collapse into anarchy and people wouldn't be affected.

Hortlund doesn't hate Russian, he hates Russian government. It's what you want to say, and what Hortlund confirmed few posts ago. And he just wants Russia collapses into anarchy, without any government, any state institutes, nothing. And all Russians together with the whole world including Sweden will be happy. Ok, not bad so far.

But there is a little problem. We've already been there. From 1990 till 1998. We didn't like that, and looks like the world doesn't like the result. But now we don't care, it's not our problem anymore. Pray it won't become your problem.


I couldn't say it better.

Problem is that regardless to the form of government, democracy or totalitarian, free-market or planned economy, West simply doesn't want Russia to be strong and prospering. They encouraged the decay and destruction in the 90s, they are screaming about "democratic values" now, when we raise from our knees. They called Yeltsin's regime "democratic" ant it was OK for them when that bloody drunk bastard started a war in the middle of Moscow, killing thousands, burning the Parliament and arresting the constitutionally elected Supreme Council. That was OK, because he supported their interests, and Putin is a bloody tyrant only because he minds our own interests.

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« Reply #309 on: July 20, 2007, 11:22:37 AM »
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90% of this post-Soviet kids don't even know what happened on May 9th 1945, and will be surprised that Americans were our allies. So it goes. Everything goes down the drain, intellectual and educational level of people born after Soviet times is disgusting.  



Your country isn't alone in it's schooling of world history 1900-today.

When I was in high school here in the USA, History Class (mainly US history) left off around 1900.  There were other history/world civilization classes offered, I took India/SouthEast Asia and yes, the class on Russia that went from inception to the present day...GREAT EDUCATION.

Outside of that, I had to read books on my own to educate myself on history.

I was in between jobs once (about 7 years ago) and decided to do some school teaching as a change of pace.  I taught history, and was HORRIFIED that the curriculum left off at about 1900.

The kids were TOTALLY unaware of the causes, effects, and aftermaths of WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and even the first Gulf War.  They had never heard of Watergate (much less that a sitting president had resigned in scandal) or why there was such unrest in the Middle East.

I split the class time to teach the core curriculum in the first 3/4 of class, and then taught "modern history" (1900-Today) in the last quarter of the class...and showed at every instance how it directly effects THEIR lives today.

How are our children going to know where we are going in the future (and not make the same mistakes as in the past) if they do not know where we have been?


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« Reply #310 on: July 20, 2007, 11:24:09 AM »
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I couldn't say it better.

Problem is that regardless to the form of government, democracy or totalitarian, free-market or planned economy, West simply doesn't want Russia to be strong and prospering. .


Well, gee I wonder why. Could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that as soon as Russia is not completely bankrupt or on the brink of anarchy, they are a complete menace to their closest neighbours, threatening, bullying, doing stuff you would not expect from a civilized nation...you know... being that evil empire that we all hate.

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« Reply #311 on: July 20, 2007, 11:29:49 AM »
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I'll have some cedar-nut vodka with solyanka soup tonight, it deserves some good vodka.




I'll have to try that:

Solyanka Soup

Chop onion finely and fry in oil until light golden, add tomato paste and butter and stew for a while. Peel cucumbers and slice them.

Cook meat in water until done. Strain the broth and slice meat. Add onion, meat slices, capers, cucumbers and a bay leaf to the broth. Cook for 10-15 minutes.

Before serving, add sour cream, olives and lemon slices. Sprinkle with greens.  
 
Ingredients
500 g meat for stock (ham, veal, sausages, kidneys, tongue).
4 ea pickles.
2 ea onion.
2 tb tomato paste.
3 tb butter.
1 tb capers.
1 tb olives.
100 g sour cream.
1/4 lemon peeled.



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« Reply #312 on: July 20, 2007, 11:36:17 AM »
Personally, I'm holding out hope for the leaders that Russia will produce from the generation that is currently in its 20s. They are of a different breed, through and through. Many of them don't even think that it's odd to greet a stranger with a friendly smile while passing them on the street--something that cannot be said of most of the preceding generations. A small detail, perhaps, but big things are often manifested in the minutia.

Unfortunately, those of them who show the most promise, and are the most open-minded, have parents that send them abroad for their secondary education. The result is that few want to return.

Russia is not a tainted land, and the people that it produces are not all doomed from the start. The problem is that it takes time for an entire culture to shed some of its historical scars, habits, patterns. At the very least, it will take the dying of the last generation of hardliners, for a pristine generation to have a chance at real rehabillitation. Unfortunately, oppressive Russian regimes seem quite often to overlap each other.

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« Reply #313 on: July 20, 2007, 11:56:19 AM »
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Ingredients
500 g meat for stock (ham, veal, sausages, kidneys, tongue).
4 ea pickles.
2 ea onion.
2 tb tomato paste.
3 tb butter.
1 tb capers.
1 tb olives.
100 g sour cream.
1/4 lemon peeled.


You can use fresh tomatoes instead of paste, just peel them (or simply slice if you are too lazy to peel ;)) Also no need to peel lemon, just slice thin.

This soup should be thick, and it's excellent for vodka, maybe even better then borsch. Serve it with black bread, maybe some salo and spring onions (that's for vodka). IMHO it's a much better use of meat left-overs then pizza. Don't get stuck with the recipe, feel free to improvise.

Mmmm. I think I am going home now... :D

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« Reply #314 on: July 20, 2007, 12:25:34 PM »
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Personally, I'm holding out hope for the leaders that Russia will produce from the generation that is currently in its 20s. They are of a different breed, through and through. Many of them don't even think that it's odd to greet a stranger with a friendly smile while passing them on the street--something that cannot be said of most of the preceding generations. A small detail, perhaps, but big things are often manifested in the minutia.

Unfortunately, those of them who show the most promise, and are the most open-minded, have parents that send them abroad for their secondary education. The result is that few want to return.

Russia is not a tainted land, and the people that it produces are not all doomed from the start. The problem is that it takes time for an entire culture to shed some of its historical scars, habits, patterns. At the very least, it will take the dying of the last generation of hardliners, for a pristine generation to have a chance at real rehabillitation. Unfortunately, oppressive Russian regimes seem quite often to overlap each other.


Neubob, it seems to me that you are a little biased ;) People smiling in the streets don't look like white crows here. We just don't fake smiles. Youngsters sent to study to the West are definitely outside my social niche, they are more alien here then most of the Western visitors. I have enough experience with "golden youth", since late-80s, they are mostly moral freaks to me. People calling their country "ðàøêà" (rushka) and everyone who doesn't have a "pager" (beeper) in early-90s or a father's car with a driver now - "áûäëî" (cattle)... And this morons usually  couldn't afford to buy a bottle of cheap port-wine, drinking with us on our money looking as if we owe them, while we already were working, making our own lives, not hiding at our parent's lap (I am speaking of late-80s/early-90s). They collapsed every time they came in contact with real life.

Now young people who study and work as engineers, programmers, in applied science like geology are the real hope for our country, not mother's sons who get MBA and start preaching here, selling chocolate bars and chewing gum. Usually this guys and girls are generally much better educated then average "managers" or "economists", they are fun to talk to, they enjoy their lives and jobs.

I am listening to good old Aquarium in my walkman now, "Akustika", "Radio Africa" and "Den' Serebra" this week. Songs written in 81-84, underground rock from SPb. How nice, it's the music of my youth, no young kids will ever make anything like that.

What we understand and they don't: money won't solve all your problems.

As for an older generation - I'll post my recent experience later (maybe tomorrow), a brilliant example of a Civil-War mentality... First time in maybe15 years when I had to jump off the moving train at 30-40 km/h :D

Another observation: I think St.Santa had hit the bull's eye in his post after he visited Russia a few years ago: we are a "we'll fix it" nation. "We'll fix it, nevermind!" (ðàçáåð¸ìñÿ!) should be our motto. We see a problem and solve it, we just can't see any unsolvable problems.
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