Author Topic: I hate russia. (Read 7825 times)

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #90 on:** July 17, 2007, 03:01:35 AM »

I guess nobody recognizes humor anymore.

>edit>Maybe it's just those from a Scandanavian line.... we can only hope the virus has not permeated the entire human genome...

Nilsen · « **Reply #91 on:** July 17, 2007, 03:15:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So Nilsen, you saying that unarmed sightseeing flights should be shot down, and the pilots put on a show trial and imprisoned?

Russian bastiges

yup

Estel · « **Reply #92 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:41:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Well, I'd like to see it.

Can you post it again?

I will try to regain information. On success, I'll post it. And.... I like your trust into somebody's decency.

Estel · « **Reply #93 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:45:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
I remember that thread. I think someone posted pictures from the Iranian rescue operation showing bodies in the water and also later in a hangar IIRC. Skuzzy don't like things like that.

Perhaps you are right. Anyway, scince that time I'm not sure, that some people here are interested in real information and facts. Sure it's my own opinion and I'll be very glad if I'm mistaken.

Toad · « **Reply #94 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:51:54 AM »

Well, Estel, I was in the reconnaissance business from 74-80. I have never heard of a Soviet aircraft being shot down in International airspace by the USA.

I can't find any such incidents now using Google either, so I look forward to you providing incidents with dates that I might research.

I have found an incident or two like this:

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“On February 27, 1974, a Soviet AN-24 reconnaissance aircraft was low on fuel and made an emergency landing at Gambell Airfield in Alaska. The crew remained on the aircraft overnight. They were provided space heaters and food. They were refueled the next day and they departed. The crew was not detained and the aircraft was not detained.

And there are an awful lot of incidents like this:

22 June 1955 A US Navy P2V-5 Neptune of VP-9 (BuNo 131515), flying a patrol mission from Kodiak Alaska, was attacked over the Bering Strait by two Soviet MiG-15 studmuffinots. The aircraft crash-landed on St. Lawrence Island after an engine was set afire. Of the eleven crew members, including pilot Richard F. Fischer, co-pilot David M. Lockhard, Donald E. Sonnek, Thaddeus Maziarz, Martin E. Berg, Eddie Benko, David Assard and Charles Shields, four sustained injuries due to gunfire and six were injured during the landing. The USA demanded $724,947 in compensation; the USSR finally paid half this amount.

July 1960 A US Air Force ERB-47H Stratojet (53-4281) of the 38th Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron, 55th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing, flying over the Barents Sea was downed by Soviet pilot Vasili Poliakov, flying a MiG-15 studmuffinot. Co-pilot Bruce Olmstead and navigator John McKone survived and were taken captive. The pilot, Bill Palm and ELINT operators Eugene Posa, Oscar Goforth and Dean Phillips were killed. Olmstead and McKone were released from Soviet captivity on January 25th, 1961. Bill Palm's remains were returned to the US on July 25, 1960. Eugene Posa's remains were recovered by the Soviets, but never returned to the US.

1967 A US Air Force ERB-47H Stratojet of the 55th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing, flying over Iran, near the Soviet border, was reported to have been hit by a Soviet surface-to-air missile. The damaged aircraft managed to reach the mountains north of Tehran, but crashed before being able to land, killing the entire crew.

And these are just three of many incidents.

So I look forward to your counterpoint.

Boroda · « **Reply #95 on:** July 17, 2007, 07:45:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Well, Estel, I was in the reconnaissance business from 74-80. I have never heard of a Soviet aircraft being shot down in International airspace by the USA.

I can't find any such incidents now using Google either, so I look forward to you providing incidents with dates that I might research.

Toad, can you also find _any_ accident when Soviet airforce attacked, bombed and strafed any targets on the US territory, like USAF did in 1950 in Far East?

I understand Estel, it's useless to post any real information here. There are some people who'll mind it, but the sound majority will ignore anything that contradicts Party Line and History Channel's "history for dummies" POV, they'll prefer to discuss if we have AH subscription and why are we allowed to post on this board.

Toad · « **Reply #96 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:00:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, can you also find _any_ accident when Soviet airforce attacked, bombed and strafed any targets on the US territory, like USAF did in 1950 in Far East?

That's a bit too cryptic; are you talking about the Korean War?

What is really very easy to find is incidents of the Soviets shooting down military aircraft. No warm food and space heaters like your AN-24 recon bird got in Alaska from you guys; only hot lead.

Cold War Shootdowns

lazs2 · « **Reply #97 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:01:56 AM »

boroda... just curious..

Why do you think that the rest of the world is lying to you but that anything the commies put out was the gospel truth? Well... maybe not gospel but.. you know what I mean.

Why were the commies so truthful do you think? Were they simply so moral or was it that the west was jealous? Were your people locked in and not permitted to know of the outside world for their own good lest they turn into brainwashed robots like the entire rest of the world?

I have to ask this too... why did you have walls to keep your people in? Why did you have to have KGB agents with every athlete and diplomat that ever visited the US? was it to keep them from smuggling Americans back in their suitcase or to keep em from defecting?

Why would you believe anything a government who locked it's people in and censored all outside news told you?

lazs

storch · « **Reply #98 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:16:06 AM »

I know more than a few russians. here in miami they have moved into the town of el portal and driven the haitians almost complete out of there, not an easy thing to do. haitians are pretty tough.

I get a big kick out of the russians. many of them work as handymen on the estates of the wealthy people who live on waterfront homes in miami beach which allows me quite a bit of time to interact with them during the course of the day when I'm able to be on an installation site.

on the whole I like the russians, they are resourceful and very capable in a mcguyver sort of way.

when I asked one guy who I have become friends with why so many of his countrymen are so practically talented, so adept at solving real world problems with what ever is at hand his answer was that in soviet union if you can't fix something with nothing then maybe you will die.

russians are cool but they generally drink like fish and lie like rugs. I like them just the same and we are better for having them here. I'm surprised the former soviet union isn't empty now.

Boroda · « **Reply #99 on:** July 17, 2007, 09:18:47 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
boroda... just curious..

Why do you think that the rest of the world is lying to you but that anything the commies put out was the gospel truth? Well... maybe not gospel but.. you know what I mean.

Nobody's perfect. I said it many times before: when I see two points of view on one event, one - Western and second - Soviet, I choose the Soviet one if it doesn't contradict common sense. I hope you understand it. And if you dig deep enough - you'll find reasonable pragmatic explanation for almost all your questions.

Commies told a lot of bull**** too, but now they are gone, and I see them as a part of our national history. They did some bad things but they did some good things too. At least they showed an alternative, different way of life, not better or worse, just different. What I try to do is to show that there is more then one "right" way.

About "keeping people in": people who didn't work for defense and didn't get good education (for free) could easily leave the country. I talked to a guy in Australia who spent his vacation there in 1976 and then applied for emigration and moved in 1977. Contradicts your "everyone knows that", doesn't it?

Boroda · « **Reply #100 on:** July 17, 2007, 09:26:46 AM »

Forgot to say that we were taught not to hate any other nation. There were no Soviet movies like Rambo-III when Soviet people fought Americans (there was one, but there Soviet marines captured an American missile base in the Pacific with it's commander went insane and wanted to start a nuclear war, the base then got burnt by B-52s). At school we were taught about American democratic system and it's advantages, no political "party" crap.

Angus · « **Reply #101 on:** July 17, 2007, 10:08:56 AM »

Toad: That was one heck of a link there

And Boroda:
"- Nobody's perfect. I said it many times before: when I see two points of view on one event, one - Western and second - Soviet, I choose the Soviet one if it doesn't contradict common sense. I hope you understand it. And if you dig deep enough - you'll find reasonable pragmatic explanation for almost all your questions. "

Well you choose to call the Molotov-Ribbentropf pact a LIE not long ago.
Same goes with incidents like Katyn.

But

"Commies told a lot of bull**** too, but now they are gone, and I see them as a part of our national history."

A learning curve?????

Aside from that, there is good people everywhere and possibly bad people anywhere....and a regime may not necessary reflect the truth about it's population. (That one was for Boroda basically and aimed at Lazs

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Boroda · « **Reply #102 on:** July 17, 2007, 10:17:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
Well you choose to call the Molotov-Ribbentropf pact a LIE not long ago.
Same goes with incidents like Katyn.

Calling a Non-aggression Treaty a "lie"?! Where? When?!

About Katyn: I don't see any positive proof that my country did it. See Burdenko's commission 1944 report. Poles were shot from German weapons at the location where kids recreation camp was in 1940. I don't know who did it and if it was Soviet crime - then I want to say I am sorry. I think it's clear.

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Originally posted by Angus
But

"Commies told a lot of bull**** too, but now they are gone, and I see them as a part of our national history."

A learning curve?????

Do you seriously expect me to post obvious bull**** here? It's called "critical thinking", if you didn't know.

My learning curve is going the other way, from laughing at "commie propaganda" to bitter understanding that in many cases they were right.

Nilsen · « **Reply #103 on:** July 17, 2007, 10:24:13 AM »

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My learning curve is going the other way, from laughing at "commie propaganda" to bitter understanding that in many cases they were right.

Then you need to do another 180.

The commies were never right, its just that the dolts in charge of russia atm prolly are even worse.

Worse than bad does not make the bad good.

Boroda · « **Reply #104 on:** July 17, 2007, 11:11:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Then you need to do another 180.

Let me decide it myself, I have seen both systems and probably have more experience.

Author Topic: I hate russia. (Read 7825 times)

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