Author Topic: I hate russia. (Read 8917 times)

Toad · « **Reply #135 on:** July 17, 2007, 03:43:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
How many times did Soviet planes violate US airspace? I have a feeling the number is disproportionate to the number of violations of Soviet air space. The Soviets may have been more trigger-happy, but perhaps they also had a more "target rich" environment.

I think the point is that Soviet aircraft operating in international airspace, outside of warzones, were not shot down.

On the other hand, a very large number of non-Soviet aircraft operating in international airspace outside of warzones were shot down by the Soviets.

The "violate sacred Motherland airspace" is somewhat of a red herring, if you forgive the pun. They shot down a lot of aircraft in international airspace, so the sacred airspace dodge is out the window.

Again, when their recon aircraft violated the sacred airspace of Alaska, it was refueled, the crew was fed and kept warm and allowed to leave the next day.

If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #136 on:** July 17, 2007, 03:44:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Your evilness attacked us twice and has been unable to keep up to their promises. A contract is nothing more than a piece of (toilet) paper to russians. Unreliable partners at best. The history books by russians have no equal.

It's not about wanting to see russians as evil, it's about the facts of life: Don't trust a russian.

Btw. Russians are still often violating the airspace of their neightbours. Russian intelligence gathering planes seem to have a rather bad navigation equipment, I wonder how they manage to get intelligence in the first place when they can't even navigate.

Just a quick joke: The "Copy/Paste" function written into Microsoft code had Russians in mind.

Boroda · « **Reply #137 on:** July 17, 2007, 03:53:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Your evilness attacked us twice and has been unable to keep up to their promises. A contract is nothing more than a piece of (toilet) paper to russians. Unreliable partners at best. The history books by russians have no equal.

What?!

Yess, Finns are to trust! Attacking USSR with the Big Guy, occupying the territory 1/2 the size of your whole country, sending all "ethnically-inappropriate" population into prison camps - and still wondering why USSR spoke about "indirect aggression" in the League of Nations!

Boroda · « **Reply #138 on:** July 17, 2007, 03:56:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
The Il-12 was also a military aircraft. It was used as a troop transport, paratroop plane and cargo aircraft.

What evidence is there that the US pilot identified it as Aeroflot and then shot it down anyway?

There are different signs on wings and tail. Red Stars for military aircrafts, Red Flag with golden Hammer Sickle and a Star on tail for Aeroflot.

Aren't 747s used as troop-carriers and cargo? How about Korean 707 shot in 78? 707s are tanker, recon and etc.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #139 on:** July 17, 2007, 04:06:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Estel
I understand, that many of you want to see us as an evil.

WRONG! I'm tired of the "lie spewing" and "blatant denial" that Boroda continues to do (as are most of us).

Katyn DID happen with Stalin's brutality. Apologies mend fences, denials keep the fence up.

FBBone · « **Reply #140 on:** July 17, 2007, 04:16:17 PM »

I like Russians, well, more specifically, Russian Vodka.

Fishu · « **Reply #141 on:** July 17, 2007, 04:22:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
What?!

Yess, Finns are to trust! Attacking USSR with the Big Guy, occupying the territory 1/2 the size of your whole country, sending all "ethnically-inappropriate" population into prison camps - and still wondering why USSR spoke about "indirect aggression" in the League of Nations!

See, like I told you, the russian history has no equal in the world.

Prior to the war there were no ethnic prison camps.

Name one country in the WWII that did not move the population originating from a hostile country to an internation camp? For example the UK interned a bunch of germans living in the country, also some finnish sailors were interned. Russia wasn't an exception.

What happened to the "ethnically inappropriate" estonians, who were sent in masses to the east after the war? Oh yeah.. now I remember, the unemployed estonians volunteered to look for work halfway around the world, while the unemployed russians moved to improve infrastructure in Estonia.

Btw. What/who was the big guy with us in the winter war?

Furball · « **Reply #142 on:** July 17, 2007, 04:23:09 PM »

Poor Russia.

Getting picked on by big bad Finland

Estel · « **Reply #143 on:** July 17, 2007, 04:39:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Your evilness attacked us twice and has been unable to keep up to their promises. A contract is nothing more than a piece of (toilet) paper to russians.

Don't forget one important thing. Our "evilness" gave you freedom. And you should pray for Lenin twice a day for it. And you payed for it with childrens concentration camps on our land. Perfect payment for freedom from Russian Empire.

Estel · « **Reply #144 on:** July 17, 2007, 04:42:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
The Il-12 was also a military aircraft. It was used as a troop transport, paratroop plane and cargo aircraft.

What evidence is there that the US pilot identified it as Aeroflot and then shot it down anyway?

Like 707 and 747.

Fishu · « **Reply #145 on:** July 17, 2007, 04:52:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Estel
Don't forget one important thing. Our "evilness" gave you freedom. And you should pray for Lenin twice a day for it.

Good deeds do not make right for misdeeds in the future.

You are not to trust any deals with russians, there's always a hitch. Some sources believes that Lenin believed the finnish workers would shortly afterwards revolt and volunteer to join the communist Russia.

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And you payed for it with childrens concentration camps on our land. Perfect payment for freedom from Russian Empire. [/B]

Oh my dear god.. childrens concentration camps on your land. How many times have you russians exagerrated everything that was done abroad against russian population? In the meanwhile you forget your own misdeeds and glorify the deeds! Such hypocricy.

There's a thing that separates us: We can admit misdeeds, but you russians can't admit to a single fault.

Toad · « **Reply #146 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:23:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Estel
Like 707 and 747.

Did it have the spotlight shining on the tail showing the airline's logo like the KAL 707 and KAL 747 too?

Toad · « **Reply #147 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:33:32 PM »

However, this thread has perfectly exemplified what I posted earlier.

It's not about people wanting to see Russians as evil.

Rather it's about people wanting to see Russians be accountable for some of the evil things their government did.

You won't find a single American defending the mistake the Vincennes made. It was a mistake and we paid reparations. On February 22, 1996 the United States agreed to pay Iran$61.8 million in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed in the shootdown.

Our military screwed up. I doubt you'll find an American here that denys it or one that isn't truly sorry it happened.

OTOH.... I've yet to see a Russian say that any of the planes they shot down in international airspace was a mistake.

68ROX · « **Reply #148 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:50:53 PM »

Surprised no one has mentioned yet...

1979 Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

Whoa....that one was a DOOZIE!

Well done!

68ROX

Neubob · « **Reply #149 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:01:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
There's a thing that separates us: We can admit misdeeds, but you russians can't admit to a single fault.

Most of the Russians I know, including members of my own family, have suffered substantially at the hands of the communists, and have very few good things to say about the Soviet system as a whole, much less praise it for its exploits.

Oh, and they tend to honor their contracts too, written or other, and without the need for threats of violence.

You should try not to generalize about others when touting your own righteousness.