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Bucky73 · « **Reply #240 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:17:26 PM »

Yes, the military uses flight sims.....but they are just a tad more advanced than an internet based ww2 sim. (just a tad)

Yes, I am claiming AH didn't make me better....Not ONE bit.

Btw HTC....I do love your sim:aok

msflightsim...as I said before did familiarize me with instruments etc...
but, anybody could do a few standard rate turns in a plane thats in the air. Air combat however is a totally different thing. I actually went to california and did this in 01' and it's FAR different than any sim I've ever played. Some chinese dude was pwning me for real.

After that experience I became content with flying my 206 straight and level.

I recommend you try it and you will see what I'm talking about. It was well worth every penny.

Atoon · « **Reply #241 on:** July 24, 2007, 01:43:47 AM »

Sure AH is "Just a game"

What is PING-PONG? a way of life?

SkyRock · « **Reply #242 on:** July 24, 2007, 01:51:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Bucky73
Yes, the military uses flight sims.....but they are just a tad more advanced than an internet based ww2 sim. (just a tad)

Yes, I am claiming AH didn't make me better....Not ONE bit.

Btw HTC....I do love your sim:aok

msflightsim...as I said before did familiarize me with instruments etc...
but, anybody could do a few standard rate turns in a plane thats in the air. Air combat however is a totally different thing. I actually went to california and did this in 01' and it's FAR different than any sim I've ever played. Some chinese dude was pwning me for real. After that experience I became content with flying my 206 straight and level.

I recommend you try it and you will see what I'm talking about. It was well worth every penny.

What did you do first......study and train to fly, or fly AH?

Bucky73 · « **Reply #243 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:07:03 AM »

didn't play AH until after I got my pilots license.

SkyRock · « **Reply #244 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:55:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Bucky73
didn't play AH until after I got my pilots license.

Then you can not comment on whether it helped you before you flew or not!

rpm · « **Reply #245 on:** July 24, 2007, 03:13:44 AM »

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LOL... ok... you have a real predetor pilot in your squad so that proves... proves what?
lazs

That your global, coverall opinion is wrong. Sorry to break that to ya. The Army is recruiting gamers for the next level of UCAV's.

lazs2 · « **Reply #246 on:** July 24, 2007, 08:55:29 AM »

skyrock.. Ok.. we got one surgeon who claims he is better because of some game (not ah) and one pilot who claims it makes no difference.

I would agree that it would translate well to predator pilot. one computer skill translates well to another.. I have never said any different. I would say that the predator pilot would be better off using his time on a predator simulator tho.

I would say that skyrock is not near the pilot that any of the real pilots here are and that real pilots who are better than he will ever be might never be as good at the sim as him.

flying games don't make you a better pilot.. driving games don't make you a driver and shooting games don't make you a good shot.

You learn typing skills and some joystick skills that might help a little with equipment but your time would be better spent learning to drive a real frontloader or grader or such.

face it... you are simply playing a game and having fun and if you are good.. it is because you have a knack for that certain game. it does not mean that you will show any above standard hand eye co-ordination in real life skills.

That is all I meant... the best gamer can't even come close to the real good real life counterpart.. the practice a gamer gets is rudimentary and after a short learning curve (relatively) and a simple one... they learn no more.

lazs

SkyRock · « **Reply #247 on:** July 24, 2007, 11:47:43 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
skyrock.. Ok.. we got one surgeon who claims he is better because of some game (not ah) and one pilot who claims it makes no difference.

I would agree that it would translate well to predator pilot. one computer skill translates well to another.. I have never said any different. I would say that the predator pilot would be better off using his time on a predator simulator tho.

I would say that skyrock is not near the pilot that any of the real pilots here are and that real pilots who are better than he will ever be might never be as good at the sim as him.

flying games don't make you a better pilot.. driving games don't make you a driver and shooting games don't make you a good shot.

You learn typing skills and some joystick skills that might help a little with equipment but your time would be better spent learning to drive a real frontloader or grader or such.

face it... you are simply playing a game and having fun and if you are good.. it is because you have a knack for that certain game. it does not mean that you will show any above standard hand eye co-ordination in real life skills.

That is all I meant... the best gamer can't even come close to the real good real life counterpart.. the practice a gamer gets is rudimentary and after a short learning curve (relatively) and a simple one... they learn no more.

lazs

Your quoted statement,
"first of all.. AH is not hand eye co-ordination in any real sense..."

You are an unstudied clueless moron on this subject. Why you would continue to post completely ignorant assumptions is beyond me. I have studied kinesiology, I have study biomechanics, and I teach physical skills. You are doing nothing more than giving your opinion, which is so for off base with current studies and data, that it simply makes you look like a bafoon.

I guess I do get a little chuckle out of it. I mean your statements are so off in left field it is kind of funny! Why post incorrect assumptions rather than go do some reading on the subject?

x0847Marine · « **Reply #248 on:** July 24, 2007, 01:00:58 PM »

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Originally posted by trax1
Here Lazs I found a great artical that talks about making all drugs legal, read it.

From The ACLU
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) opposes criminal prohibition of drugs. Not only is prohibition a proven failure as a drug control strategy, but it subjects otherwise lawabiding citizens to arrest, prosecution and imprisonment for what they do in private. In trying to enforce the drug laws, the government violates the fundamental rights of privacy and personal autonomy that are guaranteed by our Constitution. The ACLU believes that unless they do harm to others, people should not be punished even if they do harm to themselves. There are better ways to control drug use, ways that will ultimately lead to a healthier, freer and less crimeridden society. -ACLU Website

Responce to this statement
Wow! What an incredibly elitist, irresponsible position. If you read further, you find that they would want to set it up under a system of regulated manufacture and distribution. If you thought the lawsuits against the tobacco industries were frivolous, can you imagine the lawsuits that would be filed on the manufacturers of heroine, or crack?

They have already been sued, and get sued all the time.

Recently manufacturers of OxyContin, an opiate like heroine, just got fanged for over $600 million bucks. There is already plenty of case law regarding legally available opiates & stimulants.

Why do you think there would be more lawsuits than there already are?

BTW the idea of controlling 'drugs' like the .gov does with alcohol, means you can't buy "crack" or "heroine", but you can buy a 6 pack of opiate tea, or stimulant beer that has quality / purity control and comes in known dosages.

I hardly think a legal 6 pack of opiate tea with the buzz of, say 2500mg Hydrocodone, would cause the end of civilization or turn everyone's daughter into a smackpotato. It would however give addicts an alternative to bashing in your skull or ripping you off.

Bucky73 · « **Reply #249 on:** July 24, 2007, 01:42:31 PM »

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Originally posted by SkyRock
Then you can not comment on whether it helped you before you flew or not!

I surely didn't become a better pilot after I started playing AH at least in my opinion.

However, I do believe that this game/sim is incredible as far as their modelling goes but, there is only so much you can "simulate". I'm just saying there is NO subsitute for the real thing.

I just don't see much difference in this and playing something such as tiger woods golf on xbox (or whatever). Both take "hand-eye co-ordination" as you put it but just because I shoot -18 par in a game doesn't mean I can do it in real life....I know what your gonna say about the flight controls you use that are similar to those you would find in an aircraft and the controller you use to simulate a swing on x-box are different. (which there isn't alot of difference in them actually because you won't find a keyboard anywhere in a cessna) But, are they really? Without the physical effects on your body is it the same thing? They both take concentration, they both take hand-eye co-ordination, they both take "fine motor skills", and they both take "critical thinking".

Btw, I'm not just trying to argue with you....I find some of your posts very informative and I'm enjoying have a good debate with ya:aok

lazs2 · « **Reply #250 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:18:59 PM »

skyrock... what part of "any real sense" is too hard for you to follow?

You are not a fighter pilot... get over it... you are not developing superior hand eye co-ordination skills that will transfer to juggling or flying or playing ping pong.

any twelve year old that spends time out in a sandlot will kick your computer bound butt in a game of softball.

you won't be a better golfer or a better person... you won't be a ninja from playing endless hours.

You might possibly be able to beat people who posses real hand eye co-ordination skill when they go up against you in cartoon planes.. that does not mean you could beat them at anything else.

I have been doing this as long or longer than you.. back when it was dos AW.. and I tell you... it is fun... it can let you meet people and you can get good at it but... it doesn't make you a champ or a ninja.

you are just getting better at shooting down cartoon planes in one particular sim.

lazs

SkyRock · « **Reply #251 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:36:38 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
skyrock... what part of "any real sense" is too hard for you to follow?

You are not a fighter pilot... get over it... you are not developing superior hand eye co-ordination skills that will transfer to juggling or flying or playing ping pong.

any twelve year old that spends time out in a sandlot will kick your computer bound butt in a game of softball.

you won't be a better golfer or a better person... you won't be a ninja from playing endless hours.

You might possibly be able to beat people who posses real hand eye co-ordination skill when they go up against you in cartoon planes.. that does not mean you could beat them at anything else.

I have been doing this as long or longer than you.. back when it was dos AW.. and I tell you... it is fun... it can let you meet people and you can get good at it but... it doesn't make you a champ or a ninja.

you are just getting better at shooting down cartoon planes in one particular sim.

lazs

Everything you say has no merit on the topic of does being a good cartoon pilot require better hand-eye coordination. As a matter of fact, you keep restating completely false assumptions that somehow, hand-eye coordination in a game does not transfer to "real world". On the contrary, acquiring better hand-eye coordination, no matter how it was acquired, does in fact become part of your skills. It is a fact well studied, yet you refuse to educate yourself on the topic. Instead, you come on here and drivel ignorant assumptions based on no facts!

lazs2 · « **Reply #252 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:44:54 PM »

no...you simply have gotten offended because you either feel that I am insulting your ninja-ness or because you are ashamed to even admit to yourself that you are playing because you enjoy it and that for the most part... excessive playing is a waste of time.

I say that it is better than watching TV. I say it is a form of social interaction. I have gained in that respect... I don't eat like I would in front of a TV but...

My basic statement was simply that it didn't translate to physical skills in "any real sense"

real being... hit the ball... play billiards pool.. golf.. ping pong.. juggle.. who cares...

Get out and get some sun and some exercise and then come back and tell us how much AH helped you out in the real world.

My point is easily understood if you realize that some of the most athletic players with the best real world hand eye co-ordination are not that good at AH. They are not unbeatable by guys who can't even get a row of buttons done up right on their shirts.

lazs

indy007 · « **Reply #253 on:** July 24, 2007, 02:49:45 PM »

I thought this thread was about pot & terrorism.
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SkyRock · « **Reply #254 on:** July 24, 2007, 03:14:08 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
no...you simply have gotten offended because you either feel that I am insulting your ninja-ness or because you are ashamed to even admit to yourself that you are playing because you enjoy it and that for the most part... excessive playing is a waste of time.

I say that it is better than watching TV. I say it is a form of social interaction. I have gained in that respect... I don't eat like I would in front of a TV but...

My basic statement was simply that it didn't translate to physical skills in "any real sense"

real being... hit the ball... play billiards pool.. golf.. ping pong.. juggle.. who cares...

Get out and get some sun and some exercise and then come back and tell us how much AH helped you out in the real world.

My point is easily understood if you realize that some of the most athletic players with the best real world hand eye co-ordination are not that good at AH. They are not unbeatable by guys who can't even get a row of buttons done up right on their shirts.

lazs

Lazs, not once have I been upset, but you obviously do not realise that this is my field of study. I moved from advanced science to life health and physical education last year due to the fact that I got full custody of my children and did not want to spend the time it took to continue in that field. I chose to go to the elementary level out of necessity, as raising two kids on my own, requires that I cannot lead any extra-curricular activities because of time issues. So, I am currently studying pre-k(4 yrs)- 5th grade(10-12) level skills and new teaching strategies and tools to teach the skills on this level. In my research and programs, we have been kept current on the latest studies and continue to be kept updated on data analysis on topics such as the one we have been attempting to debate. During our back and forth here on the boards, I am getting the feeling that you are just arguing for the sake of arguing without posting any findings to support your comments. In reality, you are way off base from all of the current and new data that is being presented to our nations educators on this topic. I should refrain from being harsh about it though, it is just that I am detecting that you are retorting out of the pleasure of the argument, rather than a true belief that you are right.