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Offline trax1

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« Reply #225 on: July 22, 2007, 03:02:52 PM »
Here Lazs I found a great artical that talks about making all drugs legal, read it.

From The ACLU
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) opposes criminal prohibition of drugs. Not only is prohibition a proven failure as a drug control strategy, but it subjects otherwise lawabiding citizens to arrest, prosecution and imprisonment for what they do in private. In trying to enforce the drug laws, the government violates the fundamental rights of privacy and personal autonomy that are guaranteed by our Constitution. The ACLU believes that unless they do harm to others, people should not be punished even if they do harm to themselves. There are better ways to control drug use, ways that will ultimately lead to a healthier, freer and less crimeridden society. -ACLU Website

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Wow! What an incredibly elitist, irresponsible position. If you read further, you find that they would want to set it up under a system of regulated manufacture and distribution. If you thought the lawsuits against the tobacco industries were frivolous, can you imagine the lawsuits that would be filed on the manufacturers of heroine, or crack?

And as you read further on their site you will find their theory to be based on a lot of 'mights'. Young people "might" not be as attracted if it were not a taboo. It 'might' result in less potent drugs availability.

Right now it is illegal to drink and drive, and for good reason. Alcohol affects your judgment and when you get behind the wheel of a car with an altered perception you endanger more than just yourself. The same logic goes with drugs, it affects other people.

An estimated 100,000 babies are born each year addicted to cocaine. So dont tell me that drugs only affect the user! Tell that to the little babies born addicted to crack! Tell that to a woman who is raped by her boyfriend while he is high on PCP! And in the case of legalization maybe the ACLU should tell that to the taxpayers who's insurance rates will skyrocket through the roof, and have more taxes to pay for drug rehab programs!

What age limit would the ACLU advise for the purchase of heroin?

Will the legalization of drugs reduce the crime rate? Dont ignore the fact that many violent crimes are committed through the influence of drugs. A report in the Journal of the American Medical Association (7/6/94) reports that cocaine use is linked to high rates of homicide in New York City and that homicide victims may have provoked violence through irritability, paranoid thinking or verbal and physical aggression which are known to be pharmacological effects of cocaine.  And that is just one example.

Of course the fact of drugs being illegal does cause part of the crime. However, if drugs were legal, not only would the crime rate increase because of the increased number of people who were taking drugs, but there would still be a black market and a motive for profit, which brings me the next point..The Black Market.

There are two theories that legalizers like to use that claim the legalization of drugs would eliminate the black market. One states that if drugs were legal they would be sold at regulated government stores. Other legalizers state that drugs would be given out to the poor addicts who could not afford them.

Some believe prices would be low enough to wipe out the black market. Buyers would, however, be heavily taxed to pay for drug education programs and rehabilitation centers. And these taxes would make it possible for criminals to undercut the official price and make their profit. The ACLU wants regulation, and the fact is that a black market would still exist unless all psychoactive and addictive drugs in all strengths were made available to all ages in unlimited quantity.

And again, what of the democratic process? The vast majority of Americans are against legalization of all drugs.

For you potheads out there, I will accept a logical debate on the legalization of marijuana, I might even vote for it if it were allowed to be a States rights issue like it should be, but when it comes to ALL drugs being available and distributed by the government…it is simply detrimental to our interdependent society. The decriminalization of drugs would make dangerous, psychoactive, and addictive substances affordable, available, convenient, and marketable. It would increase the use of drugs. It would remove the social taboo attached to it, and it would send a message of tolerance, especially to the youth.

The fact is that we are not losing the war on drugs. The Legalization Lobby claims that the fight against drugs cannot be won. However, overall drug use is down by more than a third in the last twenty years, while cocaine use has dropped by an astounding 70 percent. Ninety-five percent of Americans do not use drugs. This is success by any standards.  See More at DEA Site

Can you imagine how creative the advertisers would get in their competitive efforts to entice you to their particular brand of drug? And while you are thinking about this world the ACLU dreams of, keep in mind the ACLU attitude towards drug testing in the workplace. Then ask yourself what condition do you want your specialtist when you wheel your loved one in for heart or brain surgery? Or the air traffic controller who is monitoring your plane as it approaches landing? The soldier who is truly protecting your freedom and liberty? Something this radical would affect all of society! Arent legal drugs killing enough people already?

After reading that artical if your still for the legalization of all drugs then your insane.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2007, 03:16:05 PM by trax1 »
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« Reply #226 on: July 22, 2007, 08:32:56 PM »
It also takes hand-eye co-ordination to pee standing up.....

I'm trying to do it well because it should help me be a better kumpooter pilit.:D

but that bowl is sooooooo small:(

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« Reply #227 on: July 23, 2007, 03:31:18 AM »
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Legally available are opiate (heroin) and stimulant (coke) drugs... from the pharmacy companies in the form of prescription pain killers & diet pills. TCH pills too, given to cancer patients for nausea.

The .gov wants us buying those drugs, which have precise dosages... unlike street drugs that are often times 10X stronger, if not more... which leads to physical addiction much faster. The WOD is self fulfilling, the illegal market turns users into hardcore addicts much faster.    

Another bit of total hypocrisy, from the movie "In pot we trust"; the Federal govt has a weed grow at some university to supply the last remaining federally authorized weed patient. He gets some 300 US Federal .gov spliffs every month.... meanwhile the DEA is throwing people in federal prison for doing the exact same thing.. after seizing all their property & assets.

The founding fathers must spinning in their graves at what the republicans & democrats have done to this country.


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« Reply #228 on: July 23, 2007, 08:42:56 AM »
trax... so you got nothing?  You just feel that the threat of going back to jail helps you so the hell with everyone else?

I have never advocated allowing drugs to be given to underage people.. they really have no rights as such.  the article you quoted (because you have nothing) is bogus.  

I am telling you to do some research on what it was like when drugs were legal.. and... what it was like when booze was banned.  

When booze was banned it was the same as it is now for drugs... same everything..  no fewer drunks... lots of crime... lots of people in jail and lots of illegal activity.   sheesh...open your friggin eyes and quit being so narrow minded and selfish.

If you were to do drugs to the point that you could not function... an addict that could not function... you would still be able to be commited where you would be taken off drugs by force and given time to think and "help"..  you would then be released and allowed to buy whatever you wanted at the grocery store.

no one truly recovers from addiction because of the fear of jail.   If that is what your recovery is based on then you will go back to using.   Recovery is based on a morality..  On realizing what you have done to yourself and others... that you were wrong.   Not that if you get caught again you will go to jail... anyone who does not believe this has never been through it.   It is not I with 17 years of recovery that don't know what I am talking about.. but you with your selfish idea of "recovery".   Fear of jail is not recovery.

Jail is not a bottom.

Same as now but.. you needed to be in my prison which is allready overcrowded.   When you got out.. are you telling me that you couldn't buy drugs?  that you were stopped because the "war" was being won and they were not available?

And trax... there is not one fact in that "article" you quoted nothing but the speculation of the writer who is un named.   It is not me who is insane for not believing what this guy thinks  MIGHT happen but you for believing him... for even listening when you have history to look at REAL history.. not this guys fantasy world.
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« Reply #229 on: July 23, 2007, 08:52:27 AM »
skyrock... sorry... because a surgeon thinks he does a little better hand eye wise after playing a video game.... that doesn't mean it translates well.

He would have been far better off learning ping pong.   I am saying that you could play AH till you are blue in the face and not be any better at ping pong.

The actual joystic and button part the part it takes to be good are not compex.. not difficult.. many add a lot of stuff like typing and such that is not necessary.

I am saying it does not translate to catching a fast ball or juggling or playing ping pong.. you can be king of AH and get slaughtered by a person who can play ping pong at their game.  You will never be a better juggler.

You can tell yourself you aren't wasting time... you aren't..yu are meeting people and interacting but... you aren't learning a real physical skill.. you aren't developing any hand eye co-ordination that you can use away from the puter..

you still can't even see that fast ball or hit that golf ball.  

look at it the other way.  the worlds best ping pong player would get slaughtered in AH... Ah takes a lot of skills that have nothing to do with hand eye co-ordination...

I think you will admit that those ranked in the top ten say... have no special hand eye co-ordination skills.. in fact.. they all can be beaten by dozens of players with very low rank...  it is not hand eye that make for success in AH.

Once the rudimentary low level is reached.. that is all you need.. the rest is simply thinking ahead and paying attention.

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« Reply #230 on: July 23, 2007, 09:34:34 AM »
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blah blah-b-blah drivel drivel blah drivel bah blab.
lazs
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So AH isnt a real skill but PING PONG is?        OK Forest, whatever you say..........
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« Reply #231 on: July 23, 2007, 12:14:27 PM »
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Ah takes a lot of skills that have nothing to do with hand eye co-ordination...

lazs

Hand-eye coordination is a fine motor skill as opposed to a gross motor skill.  In AH, one must be able to have basic gross motor skills(holding one's head up, balancing upright in a chair), and fine motor skills such as hand-eye coordination and foot-eye coordination(if pedals are used), as opposed to ping-pong where a player must use advanced gross motor skills such as standing up and walking as well.  You seem to be associating fine motor skills with sports that also involve advanced gross motor skills as if using advanced gross motor skills makes that game need more advanced fine motor skills.  This is simply not the case.  AH requires three skills:

 *critical thinking
(Critical thinking consists of the mental process of analyzing and evaluating statements or propositions that have been offered as true. It includes a process of reflecting upon the specific meaning of statements, examining offered evidence and reasoning, in order to form a judgment.

Critical thinkers can gather information from verbal or written expression, reflection, observation, experience and reasoning. Critical thinking has its basis in intellectual criteria that go beyond subject-matter divisions and which include: clarity, credibility, accuracy, precision, relevance, depth, breadth, logic, significance and fairness.)



 *gross motor skill
(Gross motor skills include lifting one's head, rolling over, sitting up, balancing, crawling, and walking. Gross motor development usually follows a pattern. Generally large muscles develop before smaller ones. Thus, gross motor development is the foundation for developing skills in other areas (such as fine motor skills). Development also generally moves from top to bottom. The first thing a baby usually learns is to control its head.)


 *fine motor skill
(Fine motor skills include the ability to manipulate small objects, transfer objects from hand to hand, and various hand-eye coordination tasks. Fine motor skills may involve the use of very precise motor movement in order to achieve an especially delicate task. Some examples of fine motor skills are using the pincer grasp (thumb and forefinger) to pick up small objects, cutting, coloring and writing, and threading beads. Fine motor development refers to the development of skills involving the smaller muscle groups.)

If you want to compare ping-pong and AH, you are not comparing hand-eye coordination skills, as the fine motor skills used in AH are much more advanced, you are comparing a game(ping-pong) that involves advanced gross motor skills to one(AH) that only needs minimal gross motor skills.  Now, if you want to compare ping-pong and AH in fine motor skills, specifically hand-eye coordination, AH requires much more advanced skill than ping-pong.  That is to say, pushing a button with your finger is a much more advanced skill than gripping a paddle.  Also, twisting a twisty stick is a much more advanced skill than swinging your arm.  Why is this so?  When studying the amount of manipulation invovled in the two skills I described above used in AH, it is known that the use of more muscles to perform a task, involves more advanced motor development.  The more muscles used and the more precise the task has to be, reflects the degree of the motor skill involved.  

Typing dwarfs ping-pong in hand-eye coordination by the way!

On a lighter note, it is no wonder why they had Forrest Gump's character playing ping pong instead of AH!  hee hee
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« Reply #232 on: July 23, 2007, 01:01:26 PM »
We have a Predator pilot in our squadron. Yeah, this game has no realworld "skills".
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« Reply #233 on: July 23, 2007, 01:08:59 PM »
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Hand-eye coordination is a fine motor skill as opposed to a gross motor skill.  In AH, one must be able to have basic gross motor skills(holding one's head up, balancing upright in a chair), and fine motor skills such as hand-eye coordination and foot-eye coordination(if pedals are used), as opposed to ping-pong where a player must use advanced gross motor skills such as standing up and walking as well.  You seem to be associating fine motor skills with sports that also involve advanced gross motor skills as if using advanced gross motor skills makes that game need more advanced fine motor skills.  This is simply not the case.  AH requires three skills:

*critical thinking
*Gross motor skill
*fine motor skill
On a lighter note, it is no wonder why they had Forrest Gump's character playing ping pong instead of AH!  hee hee
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« Reply #234 on: July 23, 2007, 02:36:29 PM »
LOL... ok... you have a real predetor pilot in your squad so that proves... proves what?

I do see the difference between fine motor skill and gross motor skill.   I think that fine motor skill is overrated as it applies to AH.

I have been playing for 15 years.  I say that there is very little real motor skills involved.. that anyone can do it with some practice.   I would not say the same for real life skills.

Now, you guys may just feel good thinking this so as to justify spending embarassing amounts of time being a cartoon pilot but...  It's just a game... A game where you have to see the little cartoon planes and make the controls shoot it down.  

I think that not just ping pong but real life requires advanced motor skills that do not translate from the simple motor skills needed to play AH to real life.   Play all you want... it won't help that golf game or anything else that translates to getting your fat butt out of the chair and getting some exercise.

The fact that even a brain dead pot head can play AH just further proves my point.

Don't get me wrong.. I love to play AH.. It is a great way to waste a few hours having a blast...  I have also met some of the greatest people of my life through AH... but... Having done it for years... I don't feel that it takes much real hand eye co-ordination... on a scale going from one to ten with...

one being walking without tripping and ten being juggling while riding a unicycle on a high wire while wearing a one man band getup and playing "flight of the valkyries" .....  

AH would be about a 2 1/2...  certainly nothing to brag about... except to your  wife or whoever will listen to your excuse for playing so much.

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« Reply #235 on: July 23, 2007, 03:54:38 PM »
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  I think that fine motor skill is overrated as it applies to AH.
I say that there is very little real motor skills involved..  I would not say the same for real life skills.
I think that not just ping pong but real life requires advanced motor skills that do not translate from the simple motor skills needed to play AH to real life.   .. I don't feel that it takes much real hand eye co-ordination...
lazs



A complete lack of knowlege and understanding of how the human body works.

Here is a little tidbit for you to snack on:


The nervous system of an animal coordinates the activity of the muscles.  Motor skills and motor control depend upon the proper functioning of the brain, skeleton, joints, and nervous system.   Fine motor skills can be defined as small muscle movements: those that occur in the finger, in coordination with the eyes.  Video games can help people expand their imagination, develop their ability to solve problems, and learn fine motor skills.  

bah,  I really don't think you want to learn, just to be happy and ignorant!  Have a good day, lazs!

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« Reply #236 on: July 23, 2007, 04:05:20 PM »
I will agree that sims help you learn the very basics of "flying" but if you think you could just jump in a real plane and do this....Well, your nutz. I played flight sims such as msflight sim for many hours before I got my pilots license and it did help me learn the instruments, radios and a few other things but, landing a 182 in a 30mile per hour crosswind simply can't be replicated by a computer game.  I don't care how good your "force feedback" joystick is. It's MUCH different when you actually feel the forces on your body.


Sky, I do appreciate the time you spent with me in the DA helping me get better at this GAME but, I don't think that I'm a better real life pilot because of it.

So, If you would like to claim your the king of the virtual sky's.... be my guest.

Really, it don't mean squat....

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« Reply #237 on: July 23, 2007, 04:26:38 PM »
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I will agree that sims help you learn the very basics of "flying" but if you think you could just jump in a real plane and do this....Well, your nutz. I played flight sims such as msflight sim for many hours before I got my pilots license and it did help me learn the instruments, radios and a few other things but, landing a 182 in a 30mile per hour crosswind simply can't be replicated by a computer game.  I don't care how good your "force feedback" joystick is. It's MUCH different when you actually feel the forces on your body.


Sky, I do appreciate the time you spent with me in the DA helping me get better at this GAME but, I don't think that I'm a better real life pilot because of it.

So, If you would like to claim your the king of the virtual sky's.... be my guest.

Really, it don't mean squat....

What?  

I was replying to lazs about him saying that AH doesn't use hand-eye coordination, which is a complete uneducated statement.  

Now in reference to your post that I have quoted here, you have to be kidding?  right?  All airlines and arms of the military use flight sims to prepare their pilots!  There are none that do not use them!  The Isreaeli air force even uses other video games to train it's pilots on fine motor skills and cognitive decision making, if I remember correctly.  

Are you claiming AH didn't make you better, without the risk of dying before you actually entered the air?  I have first hand experience, albeit on a smaller scale.  Visiting my sister two years ago, I got to go up with a family friend in a cub.  He asks if I have ever flown a plane.  I said no, but I have played online SIM.  He gave me the controls and it was exactly like flying on the game, except I was obviously more worried about not making a mistake.  I did some basic manuvers with his instructions that I not go below 45mph.  He was astounded at the precision of my flying for the first time.  Now, I would not want to be in a plane by myself because, as you know, there are many other variables involved(fuel line freezing, LANDING!!!!) and such, but the basic contols of flying were almost second nature, and definitely due to my AH experience as I have played no other flight sim.


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« Reply #238 on: July 23, 2007, 05:16:48 PM »
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Snip~ TCH pills too, given to cancer patients for nausea.
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Unfortunately, those that are suffering from nausea have a tough time keeping those pills down. They generally end up throwing it up. "Precise" dosages of THC Delta9 shouldn't be a worry as there isn't a threat to overdosing. THC just isn't toxic enough to cause death in humans (speaking on a statistically significant scale).

Personally, I'd like to see the legalization of all of the drugs. Tax dollars from the sale of the drugs can be used for treatment of those that get addicted as well as the education of the effects of what the various drugs can do (prevention and all that).

A certain segment of the population is going to use drugs whether they are legal or not, just as a certain segment of the population will never use the drugs whether they be legal or not.

Making the drugs illegal is just a 'feel good' nanny law that doesn't actually solve anything. Making things illegal generally brings in the criminal element that actually creates more problems and costs than it solves.
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« Reply #239 on: July 23, 2007, 10:32:18 PM »
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Don't you work for the .gov???


Retired from the police dept / Marine reserve, from injuries... which is why I can now express my opinion on the matter. The .gov did teach me everything about drugs, and allowed me to participate the that ineffective, useless & draconian thing called the War On Drugs..

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