Pot heads support terrorism.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by trax1
I really don't understand what the point your trying to make is?

As far as perscription meds, people who get those have legitmaite reasons for taking them, like people who suffer from chronic pain need pain medication to help control it, believe me living your life in horrible pain sucks.
 

The obtaining and reselling of prescription drugs is big, big business.

[trax1]

Originally posted by Jackal1
The obtaining and reselling of prescription drugs is big, big business.

As it should be, otherwise the preascription drug companys wouldn't have any reason to spend hundred's of millions of dollars on research to create new drugs.

[lazs2]

skyrock... if you think that the hand eye co-ordination that you get from joystick and computer screen translates to real world hand eye co-ordination then it is you are "not very bright"  buncha fat nerds who couldn't hit a ping pong ball..  but...

I digress... even if it takes a level of skill..albiet a specialized one...  I say that any pothead that is good would be better without the pot.

As I said.. tests of real life hand eye co-ordination always show the pothead doing poorly... I don't mind playing AH with him cause it matters not..but I don't want to share the road.

trax... I am sorry that you have such little faith in your fellow man but disgusted that you think that you have the right to tell them how to lead their lives...  "for their own good"

I am sick of both the left and the right constantly worried about the things I do or that others do that harm no one but themselves.

One thing is for certain tho... the "war on drugs" fills our prisons... it costs countless billions.. it keeps despots and criminals and murderers in business and thriving with American dollars that they have to store in warehouses...

It gets your car broken into and your house burglarized.    It fills the streets with crime and poverty.

How can making drugs legal make things worse?

lazs

[lazs2]

And trax.. there was opium freely available along with coke..  all until recently.  Heroin was also legal and still.... just as today.. the king of drugs was booze.

I have read a lot of history of America.  If you want to the info is out there... I am not aware of any specific study so you have to do some research of your own.

briefly.. you can look at http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/gen003.htm

another one is http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/history/whiteb1.htm

This one does claim that there were more addicts of morphine but that it was accidental... that almost every addict of the time was an accidental one!

They were given it because they were civil war veterans and because of false advertising and bad doctors... and they were almost all housewives or patients of bad doctors (of which you claim to fall into category)

How so?  the doctors would prescribe it to people for any illness including getting off booze.   Women were not encouraged to drink in any case so substituted..

Patent medicines of the time were up to 50% morphine.

sooo.. take out the soldiers and those tricked into addiction and you have a smaller amount of people who were druggies... except booze..  lots of boozers just as today...  

opium and coke were widely and freely available..  sorry no extasy or designer drugs.. but most were available.. the users of say opium would be comparable to today... you knew what you were getting into.

people knew what they were getting into and they avoided it... less used even than they do today even tho there were no restrictions...

And... drug related crime was nil... nada... nothing.

Yeah.. the "war on drugs" is going just great.... what the hell has it accomplished?

lazs

[trax1]

No matter what you say your never gonna convince me, or most of the world that making all drugs legal would be a good thing.  As for not having faith in my fellow man, when it comes to heroin I can't.  You've never been seriously addicted to heroin so you can't have an understanding of what it will do to you.  No matter how strong you think you are, it's stronger.  Heroin will take complete control of your life, why do you think hardcore heroin users keep using it even after you really can't get high from it anymore and just need it to feel normal, and to prevent going through withdrawal, because it has control of you.

Like I've said you just will never be able to understand just what an evil drug it is because you've never had a habit for it, and I really hope you never do.  Thats why I will never be convinced that making it legal is a good idea because I don't want anyone to have to go through what I have, and what countless others have.

You make it legal and cheap and you will have a serious increase in the number of people overdosing on it.  

As I've stated before, what is so wrong with the government helping me or countless other people get off drugs.  Alot of us, including myself, had to hit rock bottom, which was going to jail, to realize that I didn't want that life and use that experience to get off the drugs, again whats so wrong with that.
 
Just because the war on drugs is losing does that mean it should be given up all together?  Just throw are hands up and say we quit?  I'm sorry but a majority of people in this world would think thats just insane.  Just because you don't think those people need our help doesn't mean the rest of us feel that way.  Thank god that this will never happen though.

Just one other side note, extasy was actually legal at one point, it was used in couples therapy for married couples that were having intimacy issues.

[lazs2]

I realize that no matter what facts are put in front of you that you will never be convinced...I am just using you to prove a point.

I also find it arrogant of you to think I don't know anything about it.  I was addicted to meth and booze for 20 years or more.  I did three grams a day just to function.  

I see nothing wrong with the government helping you get off drugs.   Just not with my money and not the way they are doing it.   Rock bottom for most people is not jail... another of your myths... rock bottom is the realization of where you are.  When you see what you have done to your life and the peoples around you... to say that it is jail and not the damage you have done to others is simply more of your "poor me" bs.  No wonder you had such a hard time.

As for overdosing... it is a fact that purity and quality... more accurately.. the lack of purity and quality is what causes people to overdose...

The reason to quit is not simply because we are losing as you admit... it is because it is making things worse.  The war on drugs is really the support on addiction and crime.

Why do you think that booze could not be prohibited?  people need a drug.   Not all but most.   Most handle whatever drug that is in a very responsible way.... most look around and pick one they think they can handle..

No sane person today thinks they can handle coke or meth or heroin... that they can use and not be addicted sooo.. the only people doing those drugs are the ones who would no matter what.   they are lost causes and, thankfully, there are not many of em.

Take away accidental addiction and there really is no drug problem in the US.. no more than there ever has been...

none that isn't caused by the war on drugs itself that is.

your whiney ignorance is causing me a lot of problems.

lazs

[uberhun]

Being a recovering addict myself, I find myself on the fence here. Having been to Amsterdam and enjoying the freedoms there, one part of me sees an application in a (Vegas) kind of way here. The other part of me sees a further erosion factor of our culture or now lack of it if certain drugs were legalized. Drugs are a Human condition that goes back to what I would imagine before recorded history, as knuckel dragging half wits. eating anything we can put in our mouths. Which becomes ingrained in our brains instictivly. By nature we are an addictive species that evolves over time.
Substances are not the only addiction. Behavior is probably one of the most hardest addictions to break.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by lazs2
skyrock... if you think that the hand eye co-ordination that you get from joystick and computer screen translates to real world hand eye co-ordination then it is you are "not very bright"  buncha fat nerds who couldn't hit a ping pong ball..  but...

I digress... even if it takes a level of skill..albiet a specialized one...  I say that any pothead that is good would be better without the pot.

As I said.. tests of real life hand eye co-ordination always show the pothead doing poorly... I don't mind playing AH with him cause it matters not..but I don't want to share the road.

trax... I am sorry that you have such little faith in your fellow man but disgusted that you think that you have the right to tell them how to lead their lives...  "for their own good"

I am sick of both the left and the right constantly worried about the things I do or that others do that harm no one but themselves.

One thing is for certain tho... the "war on drugs" fills our prisons... it costs countless billions.. it keeps despots and criminals and murderers in business and thriving with American dollars that they have to store in warehouses...

It gets your car broken into and your house burglarized.    It fills the streets with crime and poverty.

How can making drugs legal make things worse?

lazs

Lazs, I can't seem to understand why you would argue that hand-eye coordination is one of the key elements in playing computer games.  I even gave you the definition of hand-eye coordination, yet you still want to say it isn't "real life" when used in playing a video game.  Please don't even respond about this again as you are showing an incredible amount of ignorance in even arguing this point!  It is just a little bit funny.  Here are some links for you:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/

http://education.mit.edu/papers/seriousgames.htm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0528_030528_videogames.html

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/051226/26mind.games.htm

and a quote:

 Researchers found that doctors who spent at least three hours a week playing video games made about 37 percent fewer mistakes in laparoscopic surgery and performed the task 27 percent faster than their counterparts who did not play video games.

"I use the same hand-eye coordination to play video games as I use for surgery," said Dr. James "Butch" Rosser, 49, who demonstrated the results of his study Tuesday at Beth Israel Medical Center.

Mark

[Atoon]

Originally posted by Shamus


But we must all agree it is against the law and terroristic, so maybe we need to employ the patriot act to make sure none of them get away on a technicality.

shamus

Civil War anyone?

[BluKitty]

Well responding to the original post......

Marijuana does not in any, way, shape, or form support 'terrorism'.



Black markets can support violence. why is there a black market? Who's 'wise' decision was and is that?  The Status Quo government will never admit 'prohibition' is and was a bad idea.

Well one thing the US is good at is creating black markets.... look at the poppy business in Afghanistan and Iraq...

[trax1]

Yeah your must be right Lazs, if we just make drugs available to everyone this world would be a much better place, I can see it now, boy how could I have been so blind.

And yes for alot of people going to jail is rock bottom, and is when they're finally clean for awhile and can think clearly and realize that they don't want to end up back there.  One of the hardest things to do when your a heroin addict is get clean because it's a very painful process, so when you go to jail your forced to get clean.
 
Myself and I would bet the majority of people in this world would agree that making every drug cheap and available at your corner store would be the worst thing you could ever do to combat the drug problem in our society.

As for overdosing, yes more people would overdose if it were cheap because they would be able to afford larger quantity's, so would do more and when you can afford more you do more.  Most people can only afford a small amount each day because of how expensive it is, so by making it cheap and legal as you have suggested would result in people buying more.  Can you honesty not see how that situation would result in more accidental overdose's.  As you said about yourself, you did 3 grams a day, you don't think that if it would have been cheaper that you wouldn't have done more thus increasing the risk of having an overdose?

If you were addicted to meth then I really can't see how you could think what you've suggested would make this a better world.  Yes we are losing the war on drugs, but that doesn't mean we throw in the towel and just give up.

[uberhun]

Originally posted by BluKitty
Well responding to the original post......

Marijuana does not in any, way, shape, or form support 'terrorism'.



Black markets can support violence. why is there a black market? Who's 'wise' decision was and is that?  The Status Quo government will never admit 'prohibition' is and was a bad idea.

Well one thing the US is good at is creating black markets.... look at the poppy business in Afghanistan and Iraq...

BluKitty,
You are smarter then this! Narco trade in central America has supported all kinds of Terrorist organizations in Central and South America. Just because their not Facist Muslim does not mean they are not terrorists.
This is why I have a hard time with this subject because one part of me believes if this was legalized and controlled some how we would be better off.

!

[trax1]

Originally posted by uberhun
BluKitty,
You are smarter then this! Narco trade in central America has supported all kinds of Terrorist organizations in Central and South America. Just because their not Facist Muslim does not mean they are not terrorists.
This is why I have a hard time with this subject because one part of me believes if this was legalized and controlled some how we would be better off.

!

Most marijuana is grown ethier here in the U.S or in Canada.  There's not much that comes out of Central America or South America.  Believe me there are things out there that support terrorism a hell of alot more then marijuana, like counterfeit merchandise like bootleg movies, or counterfeit clothes & purses, or phony Muslim charity organizations.  These are the things we need to focus on stopping alot more then marijuana growers.

But I do agree with you that if we just legalized it that would eliminate any chance of it all together.

[trax1]

Originally posted by lazs2
No sane person today thinks they can handle coke or meth or heroin... that they can use and not be addicted sooo.. the only people doing those drugs are the ones who would no matter what.   they are lost causes and, thankfully, there are not many of em.

That right there is one of your myths.  There are alot of people out there who just say there just gonna use those drugs on the weekends, and they may indeed go for awhile just using on the weekends, but then after some time they say there just gonna use on the weekends and maybe just once during the week, but then after awhile their using everyday of the week and their full blown addicts.  There's alot of these people out there, and if you make all drugs legal there are gonna be people out there that will think they can just use every once in awhile and not get addicted, but unfortunately will end up becoming addicted to it.  To me that right there is reason enough not to make them legal, and I'll say it again, thank god that will never happen.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by uberhun
BluKitty,
You are smarter then this! Narco trade in central America has supported all kinds of Terrorist organizations in Central and South America. Just because their not Facist Muslim does not mean they are not terrorists.
This is why I have a hard time with this subject because one part of me believes if this was legalized and controlled some how we would be better off.

!

Uber, it's hard to distinguish terrorists and governments in most central and south american countries.  your point is not well argued!  Look at how many terrorists our government has backed only for the public to find out later about the terrorism we were actually backing, especially in central and south america!  It's all about money, if money is under the table, then it can be used fro anything, if it is regulated, then there must have a  papertrail.  Sometimes, governments do not want money to have a paper trail!!!:noid