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Offline wrag

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« on: July 19, 2007, 03:23:38 AM »
for some may have an entirely different meaning............

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56723

Anyone see or hear of such before????
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 05:04:01 AM »
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Yon, who has earned widespread respect as an independent journalist, reported that Iraqi officials told him about al-Qaida terrorists baking children and serving them to their families


nope, never heard of that before.

It sounds like bs, but I wouldn't bet money on it since nothing those malignant barbarous cultists did would be a surprise.

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 05:26:00 AM »
That's classic black propaganda. As ever there is never any evidence of it except word of mouth and stories. It is beyond doubt that atrocities are committed but as ever in war, stories are embrodiered and exaggerated.

If  you think about it, consider the difficulties of simply cooking a child, if  you can imagine such a thing. Presumably roasted on a spit ligthly basted with olive oil and stuffed with a delicious sage and onion stuffing.:eek: There are easier ways of making their point.

Stories like that are always doing the round to de-humanise the enemy and make them easier to kill.

I'll bet any money that equally graphic and unlikely stories are told in certain quarters of Iraq about American troops.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 05:47:19 AM »
LOL that website has a Chuck Norris ad on it, how can you take that story seriously?

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2007, 07:02:24 AM »
THIS guy is an retired S.F. guy currently in Iraq--Better not dismiss HIM:mad:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/baqubah-update-05-july-2007.htm
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/how-this-project-is-funded
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/thank-you-for-your-support

This guy is one brave s.o.b., and he doesn't do it for the money--would that the main-stream media had guys like him. The fact that ONLY the weird guy from Worldnet Daily forwarded his story doesn't make it untrue

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Speaking through an American interpreter, Lieutenant David Wallach who is a native Arabic speaker, the Iraqi official related how al Qaeda united these gangs who then became absorbed into “al Qaeda.” They recruited boys born during the years 1991, 92 and 93 who were each given weapons, including pistols, a bicycle and a phone (with phone cards paid) and a salary of $100 per month, all courtesy of al Qaeda. These boys were used for kidnapping, torturing and murdering people.

At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man’s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, “What did he say?” Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.

The Deputy Governor for Diyala Province had told me on 04 July that al Qaeda burned the home of a Provincial Council leader named Abdul Jabar. Jabar, an Iraqi official who has no reservations about being named as a source, provided information about the killings I described in the dispatch “Bless the Beasts and Children.” Abdul Jabar lived in the area of the al Hamira village, which he said is properly spelled al Ahamir. Jabar agreed to a video interview, during which he said al Qaeda killed and disposed of hundreds of people in the area. He also said during the video interview that he did not believe the remains of the murder victims I saw were people from the village. Abdul Jabar believes the villagers were run out, and that the people being dug up were kidnapped from elsewhere.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2007, 09:01:42 AM »
I vote BS  ....  Has anybody read a receipe for baking kids?   11 year old boy is going to weight about 80 - 100 lbs.  a 10 lb turkey takes what ? about 4 -5 hours to cook?

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2007, 09:04:14 AM »
Call this guy a liar to his face

edit: saw additional story in same vein (which references him )
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 “Had Al Qaeda murdered the children in front of their parents?” Yon speculated. “Maybe it had been the other way around: Maybe they had murdered the parents in front of the children. Maybe they had forced the father to dig the graves of his children.”

The Associated Press was in the same area as Yon, but barely reported on the discovery of the rotting bodies. If I were the president of the United States, faced with public opinion—and even, increasingly, members of his own party in Congress—against the war, I’d quote from Yon, who wrote: “I told the Iraqi commander, Captain Baker, that it was important that Americans see this; he took me around the graves and showed more than I wanted to see.” (Yon also posted some graphic pictures of what he saw.)

And I’d also quote from Yon—and others reporting the brutal truth from Iraq as best they can (presumably the president, since he’s president, has access to even more stories and evidence in the same vein) —when he tells the story of families in Baqubah who were reportedly served their young sons, baked and stuffed, for lunch by al Qaeda. Not for the sake of sensationalism and horror; simply because this is the evil that we face.

This war is not lost. And even U.S. public opinion might not be lost, either — if only responsible politicians and media outlets would tell the whole story: about our progress as well as our defeats of course, and about the ugly brutality of the enemy that seeks to kill us, not just in Iraq but here in the U.S. as well (if intelligence and our director of Homeland Security’s “gut” are to be believed).

For his part, Yon tells me from Baqubah: “This is a war that will be won or lost largely in the media arena.” He’s there, embedded, for as long as he can, as he sees reporting from there “a call.” Yon says: “I stay because we might lose this war, but we can still ‘win.’” The story just has to get out before the people back home surrender.



http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDFkNzIxNDBkZDc1ZDJmOTI2ZjA5MDc4ZWMwZTQ4YjE=
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2007, 09:17:00 AM »
I have no doubt that someone told the LT a "story" about baking kids.  I'm not calling the LT a liar, I'm saying the "story" is BS until I hear it from someone I can trust that has seen it with their own eyes...

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2007, 09:35:22 AM »
I can't say one way or the other f the story is true or not. It certainly could fit the propaganda situation very well. If this had been reported by a more mainstream source I'd feel a bit more confident in it but would still have significant doubts. If they had reported just the killing of the eldest or youngest boy (or girl for that matter) I wouldn't be so skeptical given their past practices with prisoners.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2007, 09:42:26 AM »
This guy isn't a professional media type, therefore he won't be considered 'legitimate' by perky-katie couric, matt lauer, Chris Matthews, et al, esp. considering it wasn't US troops accused of doing this
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2007, 11:19:25 AM »
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This war is not lost. And even U.S. public opinion might not be lost, either — if only responsible politicians and media outlets would tell the whole story: about our progress as well as our defeats of course, and about the ugly brutality of the enemy that seeks to kill us


Therein lies the reason for the stories, true or untrue. To justify the war you must show the 'ugly brutality of the enemy'. It was ever thus in war. You must win hearts and minds. Even if the story is true, it remains black propaganda.

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2007, 11:48:19 AM »
The killing of the 2 month old occurred within the Assyrian Christian community, and I have no contacts within that community to independently confirm or deny the report.

However, the reports of grotesque Jihadi brutality that I have heard about from first hand sources don't cause me to doubt it for a moment. My friends have told me that their friends at Zirve Publishing in Turkey where tied up and tortured for hours with knives while their torturers videoed the torture on their cell phones, presumably for later release on the internet to "inspire the Ummah" to further action. Fikret Bocek, who had to identify the bodies of his friends, included the following details which I censored from the original post because I didn't think it was necessary to point out exactly how horrific the Jihadis really are. But here it is, keep in mind these were ordinary Turks who had simply answered the call to Jihad who were doing this: {Warning - this is not for the faint of heart} "Tilman was stabbed 156 times, Necati 99 times and Ugur's stabs were too numerous to count (i.e. over 200).  They were disemboweled, and their intestines sliced up in front of their eyes.  They were emasculated and watched as those body parts were destroyed.  Fingers were chopped off, their noses and mouths and anuses were sliced open.  Possibly the worst part was watching as their brothers were likewise tortured.  Finally, their throats were sliced from ear to ear, practically decapitated."

The reports I have heard from troops who watched the official video report on the American soldiers who were captured, and then brutally tortured and killed in Iraq last year, indicate similar if not worse treatment. Most of the men I have spoken to who saw it indicate there is no way they will ever allow themselves to be captured alive by Jihadis.

Look, this is not "black propaganda" it is simply what they do. It is what has been happening to captives of Jihadis for centuries. Kuffars are apes and pigs, and slaughtering them is a good deed, I have heard multiple reports of Jihadis likening killing Christian captives to "killing dogs" and indeed in the incident last year the official statement from the Mujaheedin Shura council stated: "We announce the good news to our Islamic nation that we executed God's will and slaughtered the two crusader animals we had in captivity."

That's all we are to the Jihadis, animals, and animals are either to be used or slaughtered, so cooking a toddler or slowly sawing off someone's body parts while someone videotapes is nothing to them. You need to understand that they do not hold to your system of ethics, and its time we accepted that theirs cannot be allowed to prevail. Wake up!

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2007, 05:15:44 PM »
"black" propaganda or not, it's very effective among many target audiences.  You can bet your butt that "everyone else" is using those tactics, and we would be crazy to pretend that propaganda is anything but a legitimate tool of war.

Of course, American media threw a hissy fit when they discovered that US forces were supporting an iraqi newspaper and were submitting a couple of articles each issue...  You'd have thought we were cutting out people's tongues, by the volume of the uproar.  Get a grip...  It's just a newspaper, and if publishing a propaganda rag (that also ran their own stories) saves a couple of lives or keeps even one person from joining the opposing forces, doesn't that maybe make it a good thing to do?

Just because your version of the "truth" contradicts your opponent's version doesn't make it bad to try to get that message out.  And we weren't even violently suppressing alternative views either, just making sure our message got out.  Everyone knew it was the govt version of things, and from what I heard the average Iraqi was smart enough to take the stories for what they were worth.

But of course to American media, it was as if we'd taken a pair of scissors and cut the 1st amendment out of the constitution.  They got so outraged, I wonder what they could possibly do if the govt actually shut down free media.  They've already gotten outraged at a little formal press release rag, so how would we tell the difference between that and a real assault on free press?
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