Eating Beef more harmful to Earth than driving a car

[lazs2]

skyrock.. sorry you feel that way.  I have seen the evidence.. I have seen them reversing themselves and I will say that we will go into a cooling cycle soon enough no matter what we do as a people.

I think it is arrogant and idiotic in the extreme to think we can control the weather of the globe.  

I am not anti environment.   I simply feel that I am having smoke blown by the doom and gloomers and have been around long enough to recognize their style.

I find it amusing that those who are rabid acolytes of the "man made global warming" religion and who also like beef are saying that beef is too important to limit.   They are unwilling to stop eating beef.

Does that make all beef eaters "anti environment"?  

I use less energy than al gore.   I use less than most of the euros who fly around in jets and boats just to see other countries and vacation.   I am not wasteful in most things... far less than most... I am wasteful in others that I enjoy.    I enjoy hot rods.   My house is energy effiecient to a degree and I don't really waste a lot of energy like most.  I have an electric mower for instance..

I eat beef... nothing about a theory on the climate will change that.. just like someones theory on cars won't change what I drive.

If you believe all the stuff the "scientists" are saying about our contribution or... what the weather will be in 100 years then I would put it to you that you are not only the idiot here but unable to use simple logic....  What prediction do you believe?   yesterdays where the oceans will rise 3 inches in 100 years or last years where it was gonna rise 30 feet in two decades?

did you know that 98 was the peak and that 4 of 7 of the years since have all been cooler?  even if you believe the stations that monitor temp that are all reading high because of urban sprawl and neglect to the care of the stations?   (see surfacestations.org)

don't you feel a little stupid when they change their predictions every week?

When they can't predict next months weather or next years but they say they can tell you what will happen in decades?

Who is the moron here?  

lazs

[AKIron]

Uh, last time I checked they don't eat much beef in India (some) but they still have the world's largest cattle population. Sounds to me like not eating beef would be more harmful in the view of the GWA.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by AKIron
Uh, last time I checked they don't eat much beef in India (some) but they still have the world's largest cattle population. Sounds to me like not eating beef would be more harmful in the view of the GWA.

I say we invade India!

They have weapoons for mass consumption!

[AKIron]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I say we invade India!

They have weapoons for mass consumption!

We have already begun the invasion of India. Many of our jobs lead the assault.  

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Angus
Sir Paul MCartney sais we should all be vegetarians for the cause, and actually he is a bit correct.
(I hate saying that as a beef farmer, but actually I belive he does have a point, - more vegetarians is better)

And from the beef that once farted, you also do ...

What part of the cow is the Angus anyhow?

[68Hawk]

This is all Bull!

[Excel1]

heh..yeah it's bull alright, and it seems ridiculous to the point of being fuuny. But it would be unwise to dismiss it as harmless.

The US has traditionally been the biggest supplier of beef to Japan.. and its grain feed beef at that. The supposed beef with the higher carbon footprint because of the need to transport the grain to the cattle. So I don't think American beef farmers would find much to laugh about over this:

But more than two thirds of the energy used goes towards producing and transporting cattle feed, said the study, which was led by Akifumi Ogino from the National Institute of Livestock and Grassland Science in Tsukuba, Japan

(the quote is straight up, I didn't dik with it this time)

That kind of claim can, and probably will build consumer resistance and ultimately maybe even lead to higher tariffs and trade barriers to beef imports (and especially grain feed beef) imported by Japan and other countries. And once the rot has set in from this type of manipulation it woud be hard to reverse. Consumers will believe they are doing their bit to save mother earth from global warming. Never mind that China is hooking up two new coal fired power stations two their grid every week. That's the BS of it.

And it's already starting to have an effect on trade. Case in point:

There is the "Food Miles" campaign that some countries are using to encourage their consumers to buy local produce and at the same time deter them from buying foreign produce because of the bigger carbon foot print made by the transportation of imported foreign produce. I know it's a big thing in Britain where it's propagated by British farmer lobby groups out of self interest...they don't want the competition. And it's making waves here amongst pissed off  NZ exporters. NZ is an easy target since our exports to Britain have to be shipped 11k miles. It's nothing but bs and propaganda. Even if our produce that's sold in Britain had a  larger carbon footprint inclusive of the 11k trip than the competing local produce- WHICH IT DOESN'T- it's a weasel way to try to restrict our access to what is an already highly protectionist market. British and Irish farmers have already forced one supermarket chain to replace NZ lamb with their own product because of "food miles"

[AKIron]

If you really want to ride the fear train there are plenty of stations to climb aboard. Think of all the co2 released when a can of soda is opened.

[lazs2]

so what if your food becomes bland and costs enough to put you in the poorhouse and there is no variety?

Isn't it enough to know that you are "doing something"

just in case?

I mean... what does it hurt to believe in man made global warming?   What could it hurt?

and in the end....

ITS THE SUN STUPID

lazs

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Xargos
Next thing you know these Big Government type people will want to start taxing us on our Farts.

Time to bring in Sir Paul again, or at least his buddy George:

Let me tell you
How it will be.
There's one for you,
Nineteen for me,

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.

Should five percent
Appear too small,
Be thankful I don't
Take it all.

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.

If you drive a car,
I'll tax the street.
If you try to sit,
I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold,
I'll tax the heat.
If you take a walk,
I'll tax your feet.

Taxman!

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.

Don't ask me what I want it for,
(Uh-uh, Mr. Wilson.)
If you don't want to pay some more.
(Uh-uh, Mr. Heath.)

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.

And my advice to
Those who die.
(Taxman!)
Declare the pennies
On your eyes.
(Taxman!)

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman,
And you're working for no one but me.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Excel1
heh..yeah it's bull alright, and it seems ridiculous to the point of being fuuny. But it would be unwise to dismiss it as harmless.

The US has traditionally been the biggest supplier of beef to Japan.. and its grain feed beef at that. The supposed beef with the higher carbon footprint because of the need to transport the grain to the cattle. So I don't think American beef farmers would find much to laugh about over this:

 
(the quote is straight up, I didn't dik with it this time)

That kind of claim can, and probably will build consumer resistance and ultimately maybe even lead to higher tariffs and trade barriers to beef imports (and especially grain feed beef) imported by Japan and other countries. And once the rot has set in from this type of manipulation it woud be hard to reverse. Consumers will believe they are doing their bit to save mother earth from global warming. Never mind that China is hooking up two new coal fired power stations two their grid every week. That's the BS of it.

And it's already starting to have an effect on trade. Case in point:

There is the "Food Miles" campaign that some countries are using to encourage their consumers to buy local produce and at the same time deter them from buying foreign produce because of the bigger carbon foot print made by the transportation of imported foreign produce. I know it's a big thing in Britain where it's propagated by British farmer lobby groups out of self interest...they don't want the competition. And it's making waves here amongst pissed off  NZ exporters. NZ is an easy target since our exports to Britain have to be shipped 11k miles. It's nothing but bs and propaganda. Even if our produce that's sold in Britain had a  larger carbon footprint inclusive of the 11k trip than the competing local produce- WHICH IT DOESN'T- it's a weasel way to try to restrict our access to what is an already highly protectionist market. British and Irish farmers have already forced one supermarket chain to replace NZ lamb with their own product because of "food miles"

So are you saying that this might hurt our beef exports?

to me this is good news.
Cause That means CHEAP BEEF!

[TalonX]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
So for all you Climate Warming cultists, better put your money where your mouth is. Give up eating beef!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/19/nbeef119.xml

It's a PETA scam.  

[68Hawk]

PETA is bull!

They fund terrorists.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
So are you saying that this might hurt our beef exports?

to me this is good news.
Cause That means CHEAP BEEF!

Yeah, as exported American beef is grain fed and with most of it being exported to the finicky asian markets this idea of grading beef by how "green" the product is and not by the usual standards of price and quality will likely hurt US beef exports. And even though the US can be mean and persuasive enough at times to force trade doors open that won’t be of much help if consumers have bought into the con and refuse to buy the beef.  

I wouldn't be so sure that a decrease in the volume of beef that the US exports would automatically lead to a domestic over supply of beef and therefore lower supermarket prices. It may ultimately just lead to a reduction in the level of US beef production, with imported beef taking up any slack. Or maybe the increase in the amount of subsidies paid to beef farmers in order to keep production up with a corresponding reduction in the quotas for imported beef. But I don't really know. Regardless of what happens( if anything) with the way corn is rising in price US prime beef doesn't look like it's going to get cheaper any time soon.

[Rolex]

I had to check the date of this thread after reading your post, Excel1. Where have you been the last few years?

You have to search far and wide to even find American beef in Japan any more. Australia took over the market a couple of years ago. Many Aussie producers are grain feeding their stock specifically for export.