Originally posted by lazs2
ah... so you have nothing then hortlund? I tell you that a more representitive graph... one that shows solar activity for hundreds of years and temp change shows that solar activity always leads temp change.. I point out that co2 always lags temp change and the now they are claiming that it is leading and you simply say... of course... but it is different now.
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Actually I have all the science on my side. What you have on your side is your inability to understand the science.
No one has ever said that CO2
triggers the warmings, but everyone agrees that it
contributes to them, and that greenhouse gas forcing is the largest factor in the ultimate change.
Which brings us to the sun yet again.
A 2006 study determined that there has been no net increase in solar brightness since the mid 1970s, and that changes in solar output within the past 400 years are unlikely to have played a major part in global warming.
So, we can conclusively prove that the sun is not the driver behind global warming.
I point out that the data being used is from stations that are wrong... I point out that the temp has risen and fallen much more in over the span of the planet and that solar activity always led the way..
You claim that the data being used from the stations in the US are wrong. To that I replied by giving you borehole data, which is not wrong. Your reply to that is to say "so you have nothing then Hortlund?" Your reply tells me you are completely unable to understand what we are talking about.
You point to one tiny study hastily thrown together to counter the very real arguement that...
Well, see, here is where you have to accept the pesky fact that the "one tiny study" effectively sinks the entire "its the sun"-theory. In some cases, with some theories, all you need is ONE observation that disproves the theory to have the entire theory falsified. Im sure you dont understand this, but still there you have it. To further your knowledge on this part I sugges you read a book by a guy named Popper.
Besides, the two links in this post are both to solar studies, and both show that the sun is not responsible for the global warming. Sucks to be you eh?
ITS THE SUN STUPID
Remove the sun and there will be no weather or global warming because there will be no radiation for the atmosphere to trap. If you have no solar radiation, then you can change the atmosphere to whipped cream if you like, it wont matter. So yes, its definitively the sun.
However, if you remove the atmosphere of a planet you change how much heat the planet can trap. Similarly, if you change the composition of the atmosphere you can change how much heat it can trap. Depending on how you change it, the planet will be able to trap more or less heat.
This study shows that the heat available from the sun is not corresponding with the increased heat on Earth. Or to put it in laymans terms. Its getting warmer on Earth without a corresponding increase in solar output.
Since the solar output is not increasing, and the temperature on Earth is increasing, that means that what has changed is how much heat from the sun is trapped by the Earths atmosphere and that is the cause of the increased temperature on Earth. And, like I said earlier, the amount of heat trapped is changed by the composition of the atmosphere.
Which brings us to our atmosphere. We know that the composition of the atmosphere has changed over the past years, we know that these changes mean that more heat gets captured, we know that the temperature on Earth is rising, and now we can also confirm that this is not caused by an increased solar output.
Now, there you have it lasz. There you have the explanation. Every time you say its the sun, I will post this little explanation as a reply to that post of yours. I will even include a little counter, so we can all see how many times you must read this reply before you understand it.
Counter = 4
face it... you are in a panic cause your religion is about to collapse... it is gonna get cooler you want to cash in on it by saying that you and your scientists and socialists and big government "did something"... you can do nothing and... face it.. people are smarter than you guys think... they won't suffer over your unfounded theories.
Im a Christian, global warming is not my religion. Actually I think you are the guy in a panic here. Because you know that if global warming is true, we must try to counter it, and by doing that, we will have to change our way of life in many many areas. But you dont want to change your way of life. So tis scares the hell out of you, and therefore you are desperately trying to pretend that global warming isnt true.
