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« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2007, 01:16:02 PM »
Well, actually now that I think about it you were writing in Czech while I was reading it in Slavo-Croatian. Your beer guide was almost correct. :)

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« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2007, 01:58:58 PM »
i remember reading a report by the RAF "accidently" locking on to an F117 over iraq. They also Tagged a B-2 . It was reported on in Flight internation in the mid 90's .  I would rather have a plane that didn't rely on computers to fly if an EMF weapon is ever used ( and they are in development)
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« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2007, 04:47:03 PM »
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i remember reading a report by the RAF "accidently" locking on to an F117 over iraq. They also Tagged a B-2 . It was reported on in Flight internation in the mid 90's .  I would rather have a plane that didn't rely on computers to fly if an EMF weapon is ever used ( and they are in development)


That's all well and good, except that in every fight where EMP weapons are not used, you will die at the hands of those fly-by-wire modern marvels.  Plus, these new A/C are hardened agains EMP.  Finally, EMP weapons have not yet been used, and even when they are will likely not be readily available.  Remember also that the B-2 was concieved first and foremost as a nuclear strike platform.  Hence, it was designed to operate in what we call a "heavily scintillated" environment.

All that being said, no a/c is invincible, and even stealth a/c can be brought down.  However, it is so difficult (amounting to a stroke of luck that can't be counted on) that these platforms will continue to dominate warfare.
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« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2007, 06:25:03 PM »
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missiles can not be launched over 5 G loading (something that the Us navy learnt over Vietnam).


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« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2007, 08:50:49 PM »
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Finally, EMP weapons have not yet been used


its been said that a small EMP device was used in desert storm
Hell there is a episode of Futureweapons where they demonstrate its use
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« Reply #80 on: July 25, 2007, 08:52:51 PM »
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  missiles can not be launched over 5 G loading (something that the Us navy learnt over Vietnam).


umm ya might wanna go check your facts again.
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« Reply #81 on: July 26, 2007, 02:00:35 AM »
many times AIM-7 and AIM-9 were jammed on the rails while in high G manovers over vietnam . maybe they changed the system then.
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« Reply #82 on: July 26, 2007, 02:01:18 AM »
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umm ya might wanna go check your facts again.


maybe i should have said " not advised to be lunched" then?
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« Reply #83 on: July 26, 2007, 10:16:03 AM »
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its been said that a small EMP device was used in desert storm


That's interesting.  I'm not familiar with this event.  Would you happen to have a link?  I would suspect that the device (if it was in fact deployed) was likely of limited capability and range.  This is not to say the USA (and other countries) aren't working to develop them, but there are many operational constraints associated with the use of such a weapon.  They are most likely (IMO) to be useful in very specific circumstances, such as against fixed targets like air defenses.  Fracticide would be a concern, though our own weapon systems are generally hardened against EMP to varying degrees.  They could however be a devestating weapon against soft targets.  As a terror weapon, they could cause all kinds of chaos.  However, like nuclear weapons they are likely to be very sophisticated and hard to come by.

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Hell there is a episode of Futureweapons where they demonstrate its use


Note the name of the series ("Future"), and that I said "have not yet been used"  Nonetheless, I would perhaps alter my statement, in light of your comments, to read, "EMP weapons have not been used more than a couple times operationally, are sophisticated, hard to produce, and difficult to employ."  Which leads me back to my point, which is that fly-by-wire combat a/c dominate and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.  To put it another way,  I'll take the F-22 over a Mig or Su anyday.;)
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« Reply #84 on: July 26, 2007, 11:18:46 AM »
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What the heck does all them symbols in the photo mean? can someone who knows what they're talking about please break it down for us grunts?

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« Reply #85 on: July 26, 2007, 12:37:19 PM »
why is the "gun" Xed out?

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« Reply #86 on: July 26, 2007, 12:37:57 PM »
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many times AIM-7 and AIM-9 were jammed on the rails while in high G manovers over vietnam . maybe they changed the system then.


AIM-7 Sparrows aren't mounted on *rails*. They are mounted on launchers that have ejection pistons that kick the missile free of the aircraft before the rocket motor ignites.
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« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2007, 12:39:28 PM »
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maybe i should have said " not advised to be lunched" then?


Anyone who is trying to *lunch* a missile better have really strong teeth and an iron stomach. :D
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« Reply #88 on: July 26, 2007, 02:33:49 PM »
the 31 was vectored to an intercept point ....it was in the predicted path of the 71 it didnt have to run it down ...
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« Reply #89 on: July 26, 2007, 02:58:00 PM »
Ah ... that works, but if it was a MiG-31 the intercept must have been in 1982 or later. Did the US fly SR-71s over the Soviet Union in the 1980's?