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Offline PanzerIV

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A pilots' analysis of dog fighting an F-22
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2007, 08:04:24 PM »
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This is an F-18 with a firing solution on a F-22. Apparently thats impossible if we are to believe the pilots analysis.


how come the US Airforce hasn't made you disappear yet, you just showed us the invincible fighter isn't invincible!

Any way, the F35 is cheaper than the F22 so thats why it is being made.
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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2007, 11:20:36 PM »
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I'm sure computers have a LOT to do with not stalling in those maneuvers. One advantage the Su-37 has over the F-22 is the thrust vectoring system. The 37's system can vector more directions than the 22's can.

You are right about BVR. If those two ever tangle it will be because they were already out of ord when they met. But never say never.


Apparently...and this is just something I read, so take it for whatever you think it is worth.....the F-22 is supposedly already so good in the Yaw that it didn't need thrust vectoring except in the pitch angle.

Like you said, computers and software can make a huge difference. I don't know anything at all really about the computers the Su-37 uses. I don't think anyone except the pilots and developers know all that much about the F-22's computers/software yet. Would be neat to know that stuff though. :)
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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2007, 11:34:12 PM »
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has it been tried , i only ask as the idea of "viffing " came to harriers after they got in to service ..


viffing was banned though wasn't it?

F-22 weakness... two words... infra red.
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2007, 01:13:09 AM »
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Why is the USAAF version of the F-35 the only one with an internal 25mm cannon?  The Marine and Navy versions won't have an internal gun, instead will carry a 25mm gun pod.

ack-ack


To save weight i belive.
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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2007, 01:42:07 AM »
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The F22 is American Propaganda.... pure and simple...  :lol


I touched one. its real!
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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2007, 04:42:45 AM »
Well, there is one more picture...

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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2007, 05:31:43 AM »
And then, later on, the F22's are going to get pawned by RC aircraft flown by AH'ers :D
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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2007, 05:36:57 AM »
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And then, later on, the F22's are going to get pawned by RC aircraft flown by AH'ers :D


Sadly, thats probably true :cry
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« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2007, 06:06:28 AM »
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Sadly, thats probably true :cry


And scary as well.
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2007, 11:06:08 AM »
wheres top gun ?
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« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2007, 03:56:21 PM »
Is the F-18 not a 9g aircraft?  I keep looking at the max-gs on the HUD, and its reading 7.6.  I would have expected it to be maxed out at 9 or 10.
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« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2007, 04:26:19 PM »
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The F-22 wouldn't need to dogfight the Su-37, just kill it with BVR tactics.

Even w/o BVR tactics I'd still take an F-22 over an Su-37 because of the videos that were posted in a previous thread not long ago an Eagl's explanation of how the Su-37 was actually stalled during many of those insane maneuvers and the F-22 didn't stall.

I do think the Su-37 looks a lot sexier than the F-22 even though I do like the looks of the F-22 as well. ;)


F-22 will be shot down by good old Russian SAM before Su-30 will take off.

Useless to talk about "our fighter is better then yours". It's the system, from AWACS planes to simple ground observers watching the sky.

Sukhoi's "cobra" maneuver has one good purpose: to break the enemy SAM auto-tracking.
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« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2007, 04:44:34 PM »
See Rule #4
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« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2007, 04:48:27 PM »
See Rule #5
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« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2007, 04:51:19 PM »
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